"My Chemical Romance is this generation's Nirvana"

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Everybody knows the Killers are this generation's Nirvana; MCR = Live.

M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Saturday, 29 April 2006 06:22 (twenty years ago)

"Everybody knows the Killers are this generation's Nirvana; MCR = Live."

HAHAA!!! does that mean MCR are going to be playing the York Town Fair then?!!

how about this, MCR=this generation's MCR? seems fair.

"hello, i am teenager with a 4.0, and an IQ of 120 and i love my chemical romance."
well, hello teenager w/a 4.0 and IQ of 120.
i'm not so sure how that makes any difference as to music, but good on ya! keep them grades up and stay off the drugs/cutting/alcohol/pre-martial sex/etc.
emo=emotional?!!! ZOUNDS.

edde, Saturday, 29 April 2006 10:44 (twenty years ago)

glenn danzig would've come up w/ some FAR more violent and B-horror movie involved. and ALSO would've been FAR better than MCR's emotastic crapularity.

-- eedd (e...), April 28th, 2006.

Exactly. Which is why I said he would have spit them out of his ass, like throwaway lyrics. But your'e right about the content.

I'm pretty sure most people who like music are gonna know what "emo" stands for, it just seems like the kids today have no clue that it started before they were born. To all those emo kids out there, DO SOME HOMEWORK! YOU'LL FIND SOME GOOD STUFF!!
And no, there is nothing wrong with liking mcr. Just like how it's not wrong to like whatever band you like. It's just totally ridiculous to think they are even in the same league as Nirvana.

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Saturday, 29 April 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

I dont believe anyone cares when the word 'emo' first appeared amongst this pop/rnb enduced culture. And yes, MCR is a good band. That i agree with.

Andrew Pan (iPAN), Sunday, 30 April 2006 09:47 (twenty years ago)

they just help out the kids with problems.

http://www.pgcps.pg.k12.md.us/~pointer/images/teacher.gif

so what youre saying is, musicians have a responsibility to play the role of guidance counselor?

even though im sitting in seattle, home of this so-called nirvana, and despite how early it is, this statement has to be the most ridiculous thing i've heard all day.

regardless of how meaningful music is in my life, i'd never let an entertainer have that much sway over my life.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 30 April 2006 11:13 (twenty years ago)

It's funny, but people seem to be talking at cross-purposes about what 'emo' means here - it's very telling that someone upthread said emo was short for 'emotional', just that, I don't think the new stuff that's called 'emo' harks back to 'emotional hardcore' any more. The term's evolved: the genre popularly called 'emo' owes more to pop-punk than to hardcore, don't you think?

I wasn't in the Nirvana generation and therefore have no clue how a band goes about being a generation's Nirvana - to me Nirvana were this cultural albatross around our necks, something you had to like whether your heart was in it or not, something you had to treat as a cultural touchstone. They was nothing exciting about them; they were part of the 'alternative canon', like the Sex Pistols or the Doors or even the Stone Roses, and liking them didn't even give you any sort of identity since every single person you knew would know and recognise and no doubt like their hits. There must have been a brief period when I liked Nirvana as Nirvana, surely, but mostly it was just that you had to-- you had to own the albums and say 'In Utero' was better than 'Nevermind' and have read Kurt Cobain's suicide note (and put him in your (im)personal pantheon of Doomed Idols, sid vicious brian jones kurt cobain richey manic whoever). As far as I could tell, Nirvana were the Oasis of a few years previously, that same cultural position. I'm so, so glad to be old enough now that I don't have to act like Nirvana mean anything to me; maybe if they hadn't been forced down my neck from an early age I'd care? or maybe i wouldn't have recognised how important they were supposed to be without everyone telling me so.

So I hope MCR don't occupy that position, and I don't think they will. They seem more... smashing pumpkins levels of popularity, influence? They're not doing anything new - it's gothy pop-punk, basically, isn't it? and songs like 'I'm not okay' are really exciting, thrilling to listen to, but they're never going to dominate a whole scene. They'll be massively important to some people's lives, though. And sneering about people using music, and pop lyrics, as an emotional support is pretty fucking sad; I'm sorry, what do you use music for? A lifestyle accessory? You were never fifteen and miserable? I'd hate to be someone who had never had that emotional capacity.

permanent revolution (cis), Sunday, 30 April 2006 11:24 (twenty years ago)

MCR is this generation's Doors. (And I was going to make the same joke about cutting that Tantrum did and was just a little disappointed to see that he got it in first).

Or, to talk about MCR another way, MCR=Bombast. To repurpose an old zinger: Wagner is the MCR of music.

js (honestengine), Sunday, 30 April 2006 13:26 (twenty years ago)

xpost

I'm trying to remember what it was in my generation that you "had" to like. I actually had to think about it before coming up with U2 / R.E.M. although the kind of obsessiveness described there still sounds kind of foreign.

As far as the roots of emo: i thihnk your point is obviously correct musically, but what I'm too lazy to do is trace "emo" lyrically, where there comparisons may be more accurate. (Not that I've listened to Fugazi.) MCR couldn't have existed without Husker Du or the Smashing Pumpkins, it seems.

someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Sunday, 30 April 2006 13:57 (twenty years ago)

I'd say Smashing Pumpkins are a much better comparison point, now that I think about it.

mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 30 April 2006 15:35 (twenty years ago)

"I'd say Smashing Pumpkins are a much better comparison point, now that I think about it."

Most on the mark post. But then, I've only read the first and last 5 posts of the thread...

PB, Sunday, 30 April 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

the singer for my chemical romance does somewhat resemble a younger billy corgan, or the current corgan in an ugly wig

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 30 April 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

The comparison to SP has been made before and doesn't stop at the Billy Corgan similarities (gerard seems like a nicer guy than billy though) - MCR have always said they wanted to be the next Pumpkins. Wide but not overwhelming appeal, loved by a very certain group of teenage listeners, and classic, classic MTV-approved videos.

As for Nirvana.. well, you can't really compare ANY artist at this moment to Nirvana - that kind of impact is rare and even more rarely duplicated. And definitely not within a decade of each other. Just Ultragrrl being silly again. Seriously, why do you people care so much about her?

Roz (Roz), Sunday, 30 April 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

jealousy.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 30 April 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

(all the ilxors want to secretly write books about what to put in your ipod)

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 30 April 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

why do you people care so much about her

I had never heard of her before I read this post. And if discussion of her comments generates threads like this -- one of the most interesting and thoughtful on ILM for the last few months, well, great.

someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Sunday, 30 April 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

FWIW, I'll give you "this generation's Smashing Pumpkins" if you really want.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Monday, 1 May 2006 03:17 (twenty years ago)

I have loved band X forever!, though I love the phrasing, is not what I was saying in the least - that's an easy and reductive out from the issue, which is: people gravitating toward bands with desirable cachet at the moment, wrapping themselves in the popular reputation afforded by listening to said band. "From what I've read, Joy Division seems to be dark and austere and unassailably cool. Their singer killed himself, it's so romantic. I want to be dark and austere and unassailably cool and romantic. I must listen to Joy Division."

AS IF 90% of joy division fans EVER didn't get into their music this way

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 1 May 2006 03:37 (twenty years ago)

and honestly, getting into JD because another band name-dropped them vs. getting into them because you thought a t-shirt in a store was cool... talk about splitting hairs

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 1 May 2006 03:38 (twenty years ago)

No, they are not the Smashing Pumpkins of the 00's.

Not enough incredible b-sides. And Gish is way WAY better than I Brought You My Bullets.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 1 May 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)

It's easier to compare with shitty bands.

Collective Soul = Jet
Live = The Vines
Candlebox = The Bravery
4-Non Blondes = The Donnas
Cranberries = Evanessence
Filter = Trapt
Stabbing Westward = Three Days Grace
Jars of Clay = Switchfoot
Dishwalla = Breaking Benjamin
Seven Mary Three = Audioslave
Tonic = The Ataris

I'm well aware that most of this makes no sense at all, and I'm just matching up the first bands I can think of.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 1 May 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

And for the record, the Cranberries weren't all that bad.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 1 May 2006 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Neither are Evanescence, dude.

Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 1 May 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

I wanna vomit all over Evanescence

Chris Bergen (Cee Bee), Monday, 1 May 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

i love u my chemical romance

allison jean mcnaughton, Monday, 1 May 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, i love my chemical romance too. They crap all over nirvana and what they were. Cant wait for the the next album. Three Cheers was way better than their last album. I didnt like their first album though. But ehh, they got way better. Three cheers has more variety for listeners

Andrew Pan (iPAN), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 10:13 (twenty years ago)

MCR=The Doors???!
i don't even want to know how this equation works.

"FWIW, I'll give you "this generation's Smashing Pumpkins" if you really want.
-- Brian O'Neill (e7jey4a0...), May 1st, 2006."

OK, but whomever it might be better be LSD fried AND angry.
AND a complete control freak and egomaniac.
AND have to be able to solo for 20+ minutes at a pop.
AND write something that's as good or better than Silverfuck or Hello Kitty Kat.
so, give it up!

eedd, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 12:09 (twenty years ago)

"MCR=The Doors???!
i don't even want to know how this equation works."

Bombast, bombast, stupid lyrics, bombast.

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 12:32 (twenty years ago)

b-b-but who's gonna be the Ray Manzerk for the MCR peeps!??

and can we then count on the lead singer to DIE then?????
if not, then it don't work!

eedd, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)

wat the hell are u ppl talking about

Andrew Pan (iPAN), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 09:18 (twenty years ago)

obviously how the Doors are this generaion's MCR.
or is it the other way around.
and, how Smashing Pumpkins blazed the trail for MCR.
i'd embrace the Doors comparison is singer d00d agrees to die soon.
otherwise, no dice.

eedd, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 11:52 (twenty years ago)

I believe that calls for a petition. "Lead Singer of MCR plz die so I can liken your band to the Doors. Also, get a better keyboard player.
The undersigned..."

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 14:08 (twenty years ago)

hello, i am teenager with a 4.0, and an IQ of 120 and i love my chemical romance. They're not about the money or the fame; they just help out the kids with problems. Problemsm, that adults tend not to understand, like depression or being suicidal. because "cutting yourself" seems to be almost like a new trend in my generation i find it refereshing to listin to some music that is uplifting and emotional, in a good way. Kids call other kids "emo" (that means emotional, fyi) and alot of kids see that as a bad thing. my chemical romace tells us that it is ok to not feel ok all the time. their message in their music is all about understaning and help. in summary IT ROCKS!!!
-- emily nelson (www.emilythener...), April 28th, 2006.

Please don't put your life in the hands of a rock and roll band who'll throw it all away

Aleeshie (Aleeshie), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 15:24 (twenty years ago)

who is the ray manzarek of MCR, and will he go on to produce the next X?

mts (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 15:34 (twenty years ago)

RAy MAnzerek is some old guy from 'The Doors'. He was the keyboarder i think. But who cares. What do u mean 'produce the next X'?

Andrew Pan (iPAN), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

Manzarek was one of the first people to produce the drug ecstasy in mass quantities.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:14 (twenty years ago)

serious answer

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:15 (twenty years ago)

"RAy MAnzerek is some old guy from 'The Doors'. He was the keyboarder i think. But who cares. What do u mean 'produce the next X'?
-- Andrew Pan (andrew_pan...), May 5th, 2006."

.........
i got nothin.

eedd, Friday, 5 May 2006 12:34 (twenty years ago)

Can't these kids just listen to The Smiths and be satisfied?

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:17 (twenty years ago)

I wish I could find another copy of the Ray Manzarek Presents sampler that they have at WCBN. It's from about the same time that Los Angeles came out, and has Ray talking over the intros and outros of about eight tracks, all of which I believe he had something to do with (the X tracks, at least). They all have organ solos, though Ray doesn't mention that... He's all just like "They've got a fresh new sound!" when you know that he was in the studio going "Hmm... Y'know Billy, Exene, with a couple more organ solos, this might turn into a real album..."

js (honestengine), Friday, 5 May 2006 14:23 (twenty years ago)

"ya know, back in the 60's me and jim were (insert extended morrison anecdote here)...man, it was crazy!"

eedd, Friday, 5 May 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

umm..my chemical romance is the best band ever RIGHT NOW. I justed wanted to put down on the line. Started to listen to their earlier music, which i found better than their recent album. Its more darker and catchier. Headfirst for Halos is a kick ass song, so is Skylines and Turnstiles. Man, cant get them out of my head. I can stand rock that just plan sucks or has no meaning/relevancy to people in society. This includes bands like The Beatles, Eskimo Joes and basically every other band that sing about nothing. I definetly hate (yes, it is a strong word) rap and rnb because all they TALK (if you noticed in rap) about is alcohol, nightclubs, sex, and an extremely large ego which appeal to 12 year olds (do you see why i hate rnb/rap?). Hope that genre of music dies out.

Andrew Pan (iPAN), Monday, 15 May 2006 11:11 (twenty years ago)

"i can stand rock..."
-That should be 'cant'...CANT!!!

Andrew Pan (iPAN), Monday, 15 May 2006 11:12 (twenty years ago)

I think you'll find it's actually can't.

I Was Wrong, That Don't Mean You Were Right (kate), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Actually, it's Kant. My Chemical Romance is this generation's Critique of Pure Reason.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:29 (twenty years ago)

I THINK THEREFORE I ANGST!!!

I Was Wrong, That Don't Mean You Were Right (kate), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:33 (twenty years ago)

all [rappers] TALK ... about is alcohol, nightclubs, sex, and an extremely large ego

now this is ironic, given who sparked this whole thread in the first place

maura (maura), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:48 (twenty years ago)

now this is ironic, given who sparked this whole thread in the first place

-- maura (maur...), May 15th, 2006.

OH!
SNAP!
!!!

eedd, Monday, 15 May 2006 14:35 (twenty years ago)

How is it ironic?? Its true. The only good rapper i can think of is kanye west, and he freaken steals tunes from other songs/bands (watever). Most of mcr's songs r origional, except for 'all i want for christmas' (origional sung by mariah carey- and sucked at it) and 'Under Pressure' but they were just giving their interpretation of the songs. Whats ironic is that most rappers rap about how hard it is in the 'hood' and yet they dont contribute much to the society they are promoting as the 'hard life'.

Andrew Pan (iPAN), Friday, 26 May 2006 10:12 (twenty years ago)

I hope this isn't the Andrew Pan who was in the English survey class I was a TA for last fall.

I somehow doubt it -- that guy was literate.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Friday, 26 May 2006 11:34 (twenty years ago)

mariah carey is more amazing and good to have around than anyone previously mentioned on this thread! no dissing mariah, sonny.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 26 May 2006 11:37 (twenty years ago)


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