New Scott Walker album: 'The Drift'

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although of course we are free to project our meanings--aka "different levels"--onto the songs

As we are for every other song ever as well.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 13:04 (twenty years ago)

Has anybody here seen this?

The Drift (1989). Directed by John Aes-Nihil, based on the Tennessee Williams novel.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0183015/fullcredits

His website Archives of Aesthetic Nihilism looks interesting
http://www.aes-nihil.com/

Scott fan, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 13:49 (twenty years ago)

intriguing... why has he selected these fragments... what do the Cossacks and monkey nails have to do with these extracts from reviews and interviews?? Probably using extracts from sources irrespective of the content per se, in order to find the language and grammar necessary to comment on something else (his explanation for "the cockfighter").

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Hey, ILM. Thanks to you all, and also thanks to stumbling across some video of the Walker Bros. doing "Take It Easy...", I have become a HUGE fan of Scott Walker in the last - oh - two months? Thanks a million. Like I needed another musical hero to go nuts about. *smile*

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)

the packaging for these LPs is really extravagant.

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

you're telling me, ian!

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

not surprising, given that this record came with more press material than I've ever seen

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

i feel like a whole forest was destroyed for the insert alone.

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Scott will write an agonised multi-narrative song about it using excerpts from his reviews for "The Drift"...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

dig new scott lyrix fresh from his webermanized trash

dadmomsis
driving in
the black car

dadmomsis
sighting on
the white line

long come something
in a blinding
light

long gone something
in a blinding
light

dead all dead
ooh all dead

dead all dead
ooh all dead

bloody foot
bloody head

eat the nose
for christmas

eat the toes
for lent

eat the car
for eat-a-car

send the bones
to kent

Cap'n Groovy, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:50 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone know if it's actually Scott going off at the end of "The Escape" quacking like a duck!? Jesus Christ!

Robert Nedelkoff did an incredible interpretation of Tilt's lyrics in the zine Nestful of Ninnies I believe, I hope he posts his readings on this album somewhere. Hearing Scott Walker croon "pee-pee my pants" has to be one of the most bizarre musical moments of the year.

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 00:10 (twenty years ago)

It's "the pee-pee soaked trousers" HTH.

Been listening to this a whole lot over the last week. On first listen it sounded kind of flat and, well, slightly disappointing. As noted upthread, very monotonous melody lines. Took me about 6 plays to really warm up to it - but, I am now LOVING this record.

Put 'Tilt' on this evening, and it sounded lush and wondrous like a Burt Bacharach album.

Big Chief I-Spy, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 01:43 (twenty years ago)

more web/trash

blank mumble
blat babble
song babble

song foaming
at the mouth

won ton
soupie

spit gargle
retch easter
bunny juke

puke

family zoo
me and
you moo

moo moo

the beast
is loose
least
is best

pee pee maw maw

Cap'n Groovy, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 02:28 (twenty years ago)

Put 'Tilt' on this evening, and it sounded lush and wondrous like a Burt Bacharach album.

It is very funny how pretty and accessible Tilt sounds next to this!

Tilt is still his best album for me. But this is close.

boychild, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 03:01 (twenty years ago)

Whoops, "pee-pee soaked trousers" sorry. Yes, on repeated listens it's really better and better. I sorta found it a bit less harrowing than Tilt; it's not as sonicly dense maybe because it makes a bit more use of silence to drive the point home, plus there are some more humorous moments to alleviate the tension. But those moments also add to the fucked-up atmosphere of the whole event which may be even more disturbing. In the BBC TV footage they show Scott slapping a mic'd side of bacon in the studio in rhythm, and I am taking an educated guess that this is what you are hearing during a passage of just voice and percussion in "Hand Me Ups." But there are so many surprises out of nowhere sound-wise, I totally agree with the Xenakis references, definitely Ligeti as well.

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 03:04 (twenty years ago)

High brow wank material for the Observer readers - the old Scott rocked.

Mathilde, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 09:56 (twenty years ago)

Backlash! :) (and just on time too, before the actual release.)

Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 10:13 (twenty years ago)

Hi Brian,


I thought he might be using the slabs of pork on " Clara" to simulate the crowd's beating of the strung up corpses of Clara Pettaci and Mussollini. Can anyone hear the African/Arabic wailing on " Hands me Up", it adds a nice touch of chaos to the sonic clash and clang. There are more " external" vocal elements (very subtle) on The Drift... as is in the case of " Buzzers".. that sound " Gidda, Gidda, Gidda" after the " stick the fork in him line".

He repeats a lot of animal imagery here as he did on Tilt... with sparrows (Another Pasolini reference), Donkey's, Horses, Crocodiles, and of course ducks. The sexual imagery is more overt with references in " Cue" to clit and Hepatitus... that fine line between animalistic savagery/auto erotic restraint.

PaulBaran, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 12:25 (twenty years ago)

Has there been talk of performing the new album live? I seem to remember an interview from a few years back touching on the subject.

Scott fan, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 12:59 (twenty years ago)

not going anywhere near a stage any time soon, from what i understand.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)

touring with kate bush later this year

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Not having the lyric packet I'm still a bit lost in "Cue", tho its possibly the strongest song on the album. Like a fever dream rolling on and on with that steady guitar pulse and those oozing sometimes sweet sometimes dischordant bass stringlines, interupted with those two shattering, screaming holocausts of sound. I got a feeling of disease definitely (I was thinking syphilis or AIDS) but quite how te fat black crocodile sits with that I've yet to resolve! Does he sing "Immunity" on one of the chorus bits or what?

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Found it - Scott on live performance:

"Er, well, you know. I haven't done it in so long and I've been trying to work up to it. I'm trying to make an album now which I should go back on the road with. I never loved performing, you know. It's so daunting. I work with such large forces that it's daunting and very expensive. Because it's such a large organisation it's too nerve-wracking for me I'm afraid." The Guardian 2000.

Maybe a one-off show at a special location for later dvd release? I'd love to hear this music live.

Scott fan, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Mr Gekoppel

He seems to be creating a general image of disease and decay on "Cue"... the theme of genocide might be popping up again as well as with the allusion to the Ivory Coast and a " Crocodile on the black sandbar" ... maybe Charles Taylor. In similar way to Burroughs and addiction, he presents a narrtative that is linear through disjunction

If you want to discuss The Drift more

my e-mail is [email protected].

PaulBaran, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

I imagine that live it would be like an exact negative version of those Brian Wilson Smile shows, the same adoring fans, the same hushed appreciation, the same amassed musicians, the same fragile centre piece, but all about horror, beating slabs of meat and nightmarish clarity, instead of sun and psychedelic appreciation of God- awesome in other words! It would be brilliant, but I doubt it will come off somehow.

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

There's a You Tube clip of him doing a solo electric guitar/vocal song from Tilt on Jools Holland. Sorry if it's been mentioned already.

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:04 (twenty years ago)

"Rosary" the song is.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

I think the Sunday roast-punching stuff is all on 'Clara' and what a fantastic song that is. The vertiginous way his voice cracks on 'And I opened my hands...' wow

Big Chief I-Spy, Thursday, 13 April 2006 02:30 (twenty years ago)

not reading this thread, any longer, but I had a wild dream, last night, about the launch night of this record

crashing thunder and lightning and helicopters and planes and other...wild stuff

like, as an arranged event, maybe. I didn't do anything too funny, yesterday, even

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 13 April 2006 06:03 (twenty years ago)

As a absolute "Tilt" obssessive, I have to admit I really don't like this at all. It sounds like the sort of record that could only be loved by David Bowie or the dead. The melody lines are torporous. The instumentation is dull and samey -- a bit of a racket, frankly.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 13 April 2006 09:06 (twenty years ago)

Its a step in a different direction, yes, but "Tilt" is still there, you can still listen to it, I don't think Walker is really in the business of giving his listeners "more of the same". I'm not even sure if he cares whether they like the changes he makes at each stage. Inevitably this kind of attitude will mean shedding listeners at each stage, possibly gaining some more. The new direction is less song based, more classical in inspiration, so if metastases of sound don't intrest, then it will seem like a grey-er more racket-esque soundworld, I guess. It is a contintuation of the line from Niteflights to Climate of Hunter, and Tilt... even further into a lyric based form. Where song is taken apart, decentred, and the song turned into an environment of audio-symbols...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Must highly concur with gekoppel discernful observation.
I wonder? Will his muse continue to move his work further out or will it possibly some how come full circle ?

tizolite, Friday, 14 April 2006 05:40 (twenty years ago)

It does many things in a 'samey' manner - Scott's voice in quasi-operatic/art-song auto-pilot, much of the gtr strum, some of the elctronics, perc either drums or beating on flesh - bcz its going for a consistency in mood, but at the same time he undermines this by throwing the odd humourous line with the effect that it never really turns into the promised "dark reflection of the world" from upthread (he sounded much smarter than that on the interview). But he also undermines the samey-ness of even that through the role that some of these 'block of sounds'* play so he achieves another consistency of being all over the place (some squealing, forks etc) he seems more keen at displacing anything that 'drifts' along too...like its been implied among some of the gobbledygook on this thread the whole thing comes off as a consolidation of some of the sound he established for himself on 'tilt', but with many side-steps - he seems more impatient, these epics won't drift.

after hearing 'the drift' and then going back to 'tilt' i found the latter, despite having the shorter tracks to be a bit more...flabby. maybe the link wd be 'pola x' soundtrack - its that impulse to concentrate paticular sounds to particular types of scenes etc but i've not seen the movie.

(disagree on the 'glissandos' = must be listening to X, far too composers use aggressive string sounds to be tied-in to any particular classical source - and where is the Ligeti? the links with classical music aren't as strong as w/ Diamanda Galas, her "plague mass" might be a comparison, in the limited-at-times instrumentation/un-wavering vocals, but its way more bleak as she actually has a clear theme she wants to put across)

*i'm a bit sceptical of this but i'll go along for now..

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 14 April 2006 10:06 (twenty years ago)

It's not that I dislike it for being different from Tilt, but the combination of the ugly sound and the unvarying pace doesn't really work for me. I'm just more indifferent to it than I expected to be. It's a puzzle that needs time (perhaps years) to crack, and frankly that seems like too much effort to me for the moment.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 14 April 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)

and where is the Ligeti?

I hear Ligeti in the offkilter strings, in the privileging of textures and in the general horror show feel that is similar to stuff like Ramifications (I think this is the name of the piece I'm reminded of)

Also, Cossacks Are seems to interleave found quotes from world politics with ones from book/music reviews, including one about Ligeti, compare

"A noble debut tackling vertiginous demands" (Cossacks Are)

with

"An impressive debut on disc tackles Ligeti's vertiginous demands"

From a review of an album of Ligeti etudes

Walker has namechecked Ligeti in interviews as well

jz, Friday, 14 April 2006 10:26 (twenty years ago)

haha why bother w/lyrics when you can just re-jig amazon revs huh?!

"priveleging of textures" isn't something that's exclusively Ligeti. I know there is a Dada-esque horror dimension to his work (Aventures, Poeme Symphonique..) but again its not something that just Ligeti.

i think what chuck says re "unvarying pace" gives it a classical dimension - its easier to think of it as a 70 minute song with 12 movements (or 11 + 1 extra track - which isn't as classical a number as 12).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 14 April 2006 10:50 (twenty years ago)

"priveleging of textures" isn't something that's exclusively Ligeti. I know there is a Dada-esque horror dimension to his work (Aventures, Poeme Symphonique..) but again its not something that just Ligeti.

You're right, but in a rather truistic way, in that you're never going to pin down one trope to one artist. Of the contemporary composers who do privilege textures, evoke horror atmospheres etc., Ligeti is probably the best known. And Walker adapting a quote from a Ligeti review can hardly be random, he must be seeing some connection himself...

jz, Friday, 14 April 2006 11:05 (twenty years ago)

agreeing w/Julio for the most part - though I'm a bit less skeptical about "blocks of sound". The sounds themselves are not always monolithic "blocks", but the forms of the songs do seem to be arranged in large chunks, big A to big B to big block of silence etc. The orchestral sections to me do not immediately call to mind Ligeti, or really classical composer in particular, though the kinds of dissonance that Walker prefers are in the same general ballpark of people like Ligeti. Walker seems to go for quasi-stasis though, and Ligeti was all about movement (micro as it was) - so maybe Walker is a little more Morton Feldman, except that he doesn't actually develop his orchestral parts, he just uses an orchestra for 32 bars at a time, and then goes onto the next block.

I will say that thus far, Tilt seems like a more immediately appealing record to me. The sameyness that Julio mentions above also applies to Walker's vocal range, and when the songs are formed from pretty broad sections, it emphasizes the sameyness I think. Tilt to me, though it also used similar forms, seems a little more compact to me, and the sounds themselves a little more varied.

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 14 April 2006 11:46 (twenty years ago)

related:

Tilt has already been described as a cantata, with some commentators claiming it is more of a neo-classical choral work than a pop alum. “It might be, to a degree” mused Scott. “But people who ultimately describe it in those terms obviously have a limited knowledge of classical music. Because, if they heard the real thing they’d realise it isn’t like that at all. It’s more of a hybrid. And many people have said that if you really listen to all my records, going back to the beginning, there always is a sense of a rock musician there. My work really does, as I say, very much reflect a rock sensibility, as shaped in the 50s then developed in the 60s, 70s right up to the 09s. All that stuff is in my blood.”

boychild, Friday, 14 April 2006 11:54 (twenty years ago)

In 1995 on an XFM interview.. Scott brought along his own records to play, among them was Ligeti's violin concerto with occarinas he loved this. Can supply more info on this interview, if anyone wants it.

Geri

Geraldine McGuckin (2raggedsoldiers), Friday, 14 April 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)

He did an XFM interview in 1995?? They let him play Ligeti??
Yeah, more info please!

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Friday, 14 April 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Julio, do you write about music outside of ILM? you really should!

jed_ (jed), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

He did an XFM interview in 1995?? They let him play Ligeti??
Yeah, more info please!

I guess this must've been before XFM got fucked over by Capital...

Philip Alderman (Phil A), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

For those who cannot wait

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/The-Drift-Scott-Walker_W0QQitemZ4865079780QQcategoryZ91486QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Brakhage (brakhage), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:31 (twenty years ago)

fuckin' a.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

For those who cannot wait

Eight pounds is rather reasonable. I was expecting to see it for $250 or something.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 15 April 2006 02:56 (twenty years ago)

I was writing about the same thematic material/concepts as Julio and got smugly laughed at. Fickle bastards.

Just Kidding.

PaulBaran, Saturday, 15 April 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

(jed, no - i r slacker these days but thx for yr nice comment.)

Dominique i never thought of Feldman but now you mention it and w/the general slow-ness at which this rec moves at...although i get the impression that its more like an engagement w/modern classical that allowed him to 'move on' in certain ways.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 16 April 2006 14:06 (twenty years ago)

Feldman's a bit less horror-show, tho isn't he, or have I just not listened to the right pieces... I was listening to some Glenn Branca the other day (5th Symphony) and the mood and timbre was very Drift like... super queasy... Course there's a lot more guitars in Branca...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Sunday, 16 April 2006 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Morton Feldman in his Chamber music pieces for example didn't surrender himself completely to the aleatory in the way that Tudor and Cage did, but in the quieter passages there are some flavours of the Ohara pieces that you can compare to Walker's opus. I feel that the Drift rejects harmonic relationships in favour of a encaupsulation of any sound that interferes and sets out to jar with the narratives.
It's as if Walker is striving to invoke that 13th note that so terrified Schoenberg, opting for an approach, in the words of Daniel Barenboim, director of the Chicago symphony orchestra, towards " Peak experiences" in which " Active listening is absolutely essential". There is a deliberate restriction of tone colour, just as with every other aspect, and Walker is working against these limitations, perhaps to convey a sense of psychic imprisonment, and the struggle asscociated with it.

PaulBaran, Monday, 17 April 2006 02:11 (twenty years ago)


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