Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

Everything.

Nice cup of tea.

Eastern European prostitutes

Wagamama's

Some of the best things about living in England are associated with the social change, and the cultural syntheses that occur due to this.

Out of interest, what examples would you give?

-- blueski, Thursday, 29 November 2007 13:39 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Really fucking hardcore Polish spirit being in a shop 1 minute from my house

Acid-jazz

Loads of delis

Starbucks

vietnamese pork pies

But srsly, everything. Food, music, yo mama.

And don't forget the consternation of bigots

I think Morrissey just left because he was fed up with no-one in this country being able to given serious answers to a question!

i love valourizing historical shifts

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No, I think it was because he's a big fat racist.

but y'know, serious answer: the nhs

I think Morrissey just left because he was fed up with no-one in this country being able to given serious answers to a question! giving a fuck what some washed-up reactionary old queen has to say about anything anymore

If only had Morrissey had Ed and Tracer Hand to show him around the Thai charcuteries that are on every street corner in the country these days, maybe he wouldn't hate so much.

Oops:

I think Morrissey just left because he was fed up with no-one in this country being able to given serious answers to a question! giving a fuck what some washed-up reactionary old queen has to say about anything anymore

lol Gordon Brown joke

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I was serious.

I knew 'food/drink' and 'music' would be the top two. Service and Entertainment.

Re food what's happened is a great expansion of range of options to eat out, but at the indirect expense of preserving or restoring any idea of native (for want of better word) food culture? Specious maybe but I was wondering earlier if visitors to the UK 50 years ago had quite the same attitude or stereotype in mind of British food (whatever this is) as they do now. Chains are a much bigger problem in this regard tho (plus should be noted that chain outlet staff are almost always recent immigrants now).

but y'know, serious answer: the nhs

is right but then you might still wonder how you get into the position where you have to basically rely on importing people to heal and teach.

Potatoes are an import. This is obvious shit but when yr economic progress depends on trade/colonialism you're always gonna be open to cultural imports. So I have no clue what native culture of any kind might be.

its pretty easy to mistake the comments of someone who "is in love with a thing that never really existed" based on a romantic concept of people- or nationhood with a member of the national front because, uh, the national front is all about the romanticization of a people or nation that never really existed in the way they think of it.

I suppose this would be true if Moz was involved in xenophobic British politics, but as far as I know he isn't a member of the house of commons. The man is entitled to his opinion, and if people wanna pay money for it more power to them.

And if people wanna make stupid comparisons on the internet between Smiths lyrics and the burning of books, more power to them, too.

(this is all way xpost. i just got to work.)

Re food what's happened is a great expansion of range of options to eat out, but at the indirect expense of preserving or restoring any idea of native (for want of better word) food culture? Specious maybe but I was wondering earlier if visitors to the UK 50 years ago had quite the same attitude or stereotype in mind of British food (whatever this is) as they do now. Chains are a much bigger problem in this regard tho (plus should be noted that chain outlet staff are almost always recent immigrants now).

Hi dere Morrissey...

It's a bit silly to argue the pros & cons of immigration on whether it's "enriched the culture" or "diminished the culture" or whatever. People immigrate, and countries let in immigrants, on economic grounds.

Re food what's happened is a great expansion of range of options to eat out, but at the indirect expense of preserving or restoring any idea of native (for want of better word) food culture?

I'm not sure what you mean by native food culture but if what you mean is regional specialities then their decline was much more to do with the growth of supermarkets, chain restaurant, etc in the 50s and 60s and little to do with migration. And anyway I would say that that decline is reversing. See "The Bad Food Guide" by Derek Cooper from 1967 for starters. Ho ho.

Has food diversity in the UK really got that much to do with immigration? Do the vast numbers of sushi joints that have sprung up over the past decade correlate to a Japanese immigration spike?

Yeah, the vast number of sushi restaurants that exist in every town in Britain and not just central London.

"Here pal, you fucken' at it? Not only has this fucken' fish's no' goat any batter oan it but it's no' even fucken' cooked!"

http://www.ufindus.com/sushi_bar/corby

Weird, there's no sushi joints in Corby?

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Well, sushi isn't a great example but otherwise yes. Starting with the french and their heavy sauces.

One does get tired of the endless round of sushi restaurants in Hull.

(Akshully there's a little independent Chinese restaurant that does sushi and it's dope.)

No Sushi in Bletchley or Droylsden either :-(

I'm willing to bet there isn't one in Goole.

We should start an I Love the Provinces board.

OK, sushi is a poor example! But a lot of the increase in food diversity is not about immigration. There are other factors.

Morrissey would join.

xpost I already said as much tho. Imports like potatoes, coffee and tea weren't initially accompanied with swathes of immigrants.

But largescale changes in British diet (curry, kebabs, spag bol) are pretty much directly tied into mass immigration.

Except chilli con carne.

And holidays abroad.

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I remember when Colman's started doing this chilli packet mix in the early 80s and suddenly we had a new meal for tea that wasn't meat and two veg or fish fingers and chips. Happy days.

Dad started bringing the spag bol round about then too. It seriously was some kind of nirvana.

My best in with posh girls has always been them going "Oh wow, we had a Sicilian who worked on my grandparent's farm in the 50s. He introduced "linguini" to them!"

I suppose this would be true if Moz was involved in xenophobic British politics, but as far as I know he isn't a member of the house of commons. The man is entitled to his opinion, and if people wanna pay money for it more power to them.

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is right but then you might still wonder how you get into the position where you have to basically rely on importing people to heal and teach.

-- blueski, Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:55 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

original fifties immigration was done to staff up the nhs (possibly transport too?).

and how you get into that position is partly by having a war.

Yep, transport too but not only public services, e.g. textile industry oop North

No English accents in Knightsbridge --> Harrods is in Knightsbridge --> al Fayeds in Harrods --> keep our British institutions British --> omg Morrissey killed Diana!

She was about to marry an immigrant!