RFI: Border Community - Nathan Fake, James Holden, The MFA, Petter etc.

mattdc otm

couldn't bring myself to listen to "the idiots are winning" cos of the moronic and quintessentially british title.

Anyway, because Holden's last album isn't very good? Because his previous work represents a furrow that's been done to death?

kind of feel like this is only true if you're not really into this direction to begin with? all of the reviews or blurbs about this album emphasize how it's more cohesive as an album and not really sketches like the last "album" was

I thought "the idiots are winning" was a pretty lol Nathan Barley reference

I loved Sky Was Pink et al but couldn't really get into Idiots at the time, although I haven't gone back since.

Holden's basic melodic sense hasn't changed very much but in terms of instrumentation and approach it's completely different. I mean a lot of this was basically performed live.

I don't think you can really dispute the done-to-death thing though given that people like Bodzin were putting out entire albums of Sky Was Pink rips six years ago and Jon Hopkins is getting praise for doing much the same even now.

fair enough, I think I avoided most of that glut

They all sound pretty when they're on but an element of "do I need any more music like this?" is entirely understandable so credit to Holden for moving on, I mean it must be a bit embarrassing to him by now.

embarrassed about having propagated a wildly influential sound that people seemed to like

If you read current interviews with him, yes, very much.

I had not idea what Sky Was Pink was and hadn't heard anything the guy made until this record but have gone back and tried to make sense of his history. In recent interviews he's pretty disparaging about his own past.

TIAW is pretty far removed from The Sky Was Pink.

more's the pity

brb listening to stephan bodzin

It's less far from TIAW to Inheritors than it is from Sky Was Pink to TIAW. To my mind, anyway.

ok bodzin sounding a bit samey now.

aw, didn't realize he was down about all that

I know he kind of shrugged off his earlier trancier work, though

Not keen on the label in general, but this from 2004 stands up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cY8Ct9ENJk

James Holden wrapping up a live set on Beats in Space

& here it is:
http://www.beatsinspace.net/playlists/697

Not live as mentioned. I was confused because I heard one of his own tracks and Tim Sweeney posted a pic of him with some kind of controller which I thought was for synths. Late in the episode they talk about it being some new controller for Traktor.

This is probably my favourite record released this year. It's fucking wild fun.

This album is such a grower. I've persevered with it, purely because of the unanimous adulation it's receiving, despite finding it very disappointing on first play and a bit bland on a few more attempts at having it on in the background, but today it really clicked for me - the melodies stuck a bit harder, the textures seemed richer and the rhythms more crunchy and dramatic. It is definitely a late night album.

I know the criticisms of the Jon Hopkins album were "this sounds like minimal techno from last decade" but I do think it sounds like the kind of album Nathan Fake should have made at Border Community's critical peak, it is certainly better than the last one he released.

God I fucking love the way Rannoch Dawn builds manic tension.

Couldn't see a Clark thread and here seems a good a place as any:

http://www.xlr8r.com/podcast/2013/11/clark

(Seemed a bit odd for xlr8r to be apologetic that it's a bit intense).

Anyone got tickets for Holden at the Roundhouse this weekend?

Looking forward to it, cant imagine he's do a live show without having it pretty much locked down.

Heard him at his modular rig during the Caribou Vibration Ensemble gig and it's immense.

Dreamt I saw Holden on TOTP, which was odd.

Have no recollection of that.

Still never figured out who The Late Great was/is.

v4h1d

Holden's mix on Avery's most recent Rinse show was incredible. Haven't heard anything like it.

Don't really know who v4h1d is, so...

you've only been posting in the same threads as him (inc this one) for a decade nick

Well yes, and I recognise it as a name on a messageboard and a set of opinions that go with it, but I have no ideas who v4h1d is beyond that. I've always been crap with keeping up with who people are on here unless I've met them or worked with them. And sometimes even then.

love you, too

Yeah, I don't know who you are, either, in terms of joining dots from ILX to elsewhere. It took me a year to realise who Imago was.

I didn't expect you too, I feel like tlg/moonship/etc has a pretty well-defined thread persona, but if you're not here often, it's probably not as rigid

Yeah, I don't think I'm here anything like often enough over the last four years or so to keep up with things.

i'm not asking you to know everything about him, i was just surprised you seemed not to have heard the name of one of ilx's most long-standing posters before

I didn't mean I don't know the name, just don't know who he/she is. When someone you've never met changes from one pseudonym to another on a messageboard you use vaguely infrequently and there's no avatars or account details etc to keep track, it's pretty difficult to know who's who.

identity is fleeting

have you thought about how this makes the late great feel?

i didn't think so.

btw I am tuomas

have you thought about how this makes the late great feel?

Irritated and hating on drippy indie-dance fanboys, probably.

Diddums.

great, now my cover is blown

Don't ever join the clandestine services.

sorry mang

Who the fuck is 'mang'?!

http://passionweiss.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/1247519186-scarface-photo-xl-scarface-6235696.jpg

Luke Abbott's new album is doing more for me on first play than the James Holden one ever really managed.

Anyone else go to the Holden/Koreless/Luke Abbott Terry Riley homaging thing at the Barbican last night? SO GOOD.