I mean of course Le1f is right, esp. about the line he quotes from Same Love. And maybe the only reason Macklemore got off the stage was so he could better commune with his audience. Still I will acknowledge this token effort to address the concerns of his progressive critics.
― hurricane weather (forapper), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 01:36 (ten years ago) link
Watching the VMA performance was like watching Sulu on Star Trek: maybe in the eyes of most of the audience, Kirk/Macklemore are the heroes, but Takei/Wanz are proceeding as if they are the protagonists.
― hurricane weather (forapper), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 01:40 (ten years ago) link
wonder what takei's paycheck looked like next to nimoy's
― fuck your movie theater yacht (zachlyon), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 01:44 (ten years ago) link
or shatner's
― fuck your movie theater yacht (zachlyon), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 01:45 (ten years ago) link
or doohan's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8PLifPUIuic
― alpine static, Monday, 9 September 2013 22:54 (ten years ago) link
aw man, what'd i do wrong
http://youtu.be/8PLifPUIuic
― alpine static, Monday, 9 September 2013 22:55 (ten years ago) link
welp, that's all i've got
Crapplesnore.
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 9 September 2013 23:04 (ten years ago) link
Santiago Caro 29 minutes agoThis video has a MEANING! PAY ATTENTION!! to the LYRICS and the VIDEO. He is criticizing trend. what is supposed to be NEW and what is supposed to be OLD influenced by the labels, industry, Media, music (that's why appears Sir Mix a Lot a rapper from the 90's, and OLD ladys) Also supporting an interracial society, thats why he is wearing mexican clothes, and (sorry for the word) black men loving white old chicks. Macklemore talks about REAL LIFE, also my respect to Ryan Lewis, What a good BEAT! Reply · 5
― Me & Mahomies (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 10 September 2013 03:22 (ten years ago) link
santiago caro otm
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 September 2013 03:56 (ten years ago) link
that's a really well-produced song, shame about the macklemore
― Vinetalic - "My Friend Terio" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 September 2013 04:18 (ten years ago) link
is 'santiago caro' lefsetz' twitter name or something
― alpine static, Tuesday, 10 September 2013 07:12 (ten years ago) link
i hope this song goes #1 on the charts so billboard can write a headline like "Macklemore & Ryan Lewis erect 'White Walls' around Hot 100 penthouse"
― dyl, Thursday, 3 October 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link
to be fair i do like the production and consequently it is the first macklemore song that does not inspire me to instantly switch the station. it would be better as an instrumental but w/e
― dyl, Thursday, 3 October 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QtlNq-K9_s
― da croupier, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 22:26 (ten years ago) link
Macklemore is the first contextually post-black pop-star rapper.
― mick signals, Friday, 15 November 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
was waiting for this
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 November 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link
me too and then I stopped waiting
― mick signals, Friday, 15 November 2013 19:10 (ten years ago) link
i think the point is kinda getting bastardized on twitter, imo all he's saying is that macklemore's the first huge rapper whose music is targeted strictly at white listeners. which is true.
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 November 2013 19:17 (ten years ago) link
maybe the sentence is easier to parse for music nerds who follow the charts closely and are aware that black artists very rarely breaks into, like, the top 10? idk
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 November 2013 19:18 (ten years ago) link
yeah people are def misconstruing that but its ok cause he also called macklemore 'a good rapper' in the same piece
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 November 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
macklemore's the first huge rapper whose music is targeted strictly at white listeners. which is true.
Did 1999 not happen?
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Friday, 15 November 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
who was in 1999
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 November 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
are you talking about eminem?
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 November 2013 19:29 (ten years ago) link
shawn mullins technically isn't a "rapper"
― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Friday, 15 November 2013 19:29 (ten years ago) link
tbf post-black is a pretty provocative and vague way to phrase it
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 November 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link
i think the thing that ppl on twitter are missing about this is the word "contextually" ... plenty of writers have made the case for pop in 2013 -- the context around macklemore -- being "post-black."
there was nothing "post-black" at all about pop when eminem came up. or in a more granular sense about eminem at all, who came up thru battle rap culture in detroit and who was surrounded by/collaborated with black rappers and producers.
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 November 2013 19:35 (ten years ago) link
and his music was enjoyed by many black people
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 November 2013 19:40 (ten years ago) link
tho not so much anymore id imagine
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 November 2013 19:41 (ten years ago) link
has eminem become post black
free thinkpiece you guys
Was actually thinking more along the lines of ICP, but we could of course keep moving these goal posts till the gays get married.
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Friday, 15 November 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link
ICP was never really Macklemore huge, though
― guitar is coffee (DJP), Friday, 15 November 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link
there has def been rap for and by wites its just never been #1 chart material before
xp
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 November 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link
its crazy how anticonesque he is, bet its got some retired beardo rappers feeling sort of self conscious right now
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 November 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
not that they werent self conscious already right folks
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 November 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link
yeah "pop-star rapper" is a key part of that sentence
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 November 2013 20:03 (ten years ago) link
I missed a lot of these asterisks. Because I didn't read the article. ._.
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Friday, 15 November 2013 20:08 (ten years ago) link
the thing that I learned in that piece tho that I feel shd be getting more attention is that he has a malcolm gladwell inspired song '10000 hours' when is the ted talk human civilization is useless mistake
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 November 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link
I'm sat here wondering what "post-black" means in this or any context really. If he just means that Macklemeh's fanbase is mostly white as a deliberate marketing choice on his part, then that's still an odd word to use to describe that.
― Greer, Friday, 15 November 2013 20:23 (ten years ago) link
I've seen the term around, but only in the context that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-black_art has:
In 2001 the phrase was explained in detail in the exhibition catalogue for The Studio Museum in Harlem’s exhibition entitled "Freestyle." Freestyle was an exhibition that included twenty-eight up and coming artists of African American backgrounds. Golden defined post-black art as that which includes artists who are “adamant about not being labeled ‘black’ artists, though their work was steeped, in fact deeply interested, in redefining complex notions of blackness.”
― mick signals, Friday, 15 November 2013 20:35 (ten years ago) link
Jon Caramanica @joncaramanica 1h
Sigh. It's not a compliment - it's a warning.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 15 November 2013 20:46 (ten years ago) link
― Greer, Friday, November 15, 2013 3:23 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark
i think he's calling pop music "post-black" which Itunes, Billboard, and the marginalization of black music and black audiences in America
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 November 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
I feared as much.
― Greer, Friday, 15 November 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link
I don't know Caramanica but I bet, like most critics of his generation, there's a couple of hundred black MCs he prefers to Macklemore. People are acting like his message is "Hooray, it's whitey's turn!"
I'd like to read someone good taking a big-picture look at all the themes that have been going around ILX this year re: the Billboard charts, Lorde, Macklemore, etc. Black artists do seem to be on the back foot suddenly and that's weird and surprising. It's not quite Disco Sucks redux but there's an element of that.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 15 November 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link
People are acting like his message is "Hooray, it's whitey's turn!"
this is sort of the subtext!
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 November 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link
i mean seriously like every single macklemore song is essentially "rappers are this way, but i'm THAT way!"
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 November 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link
rappers are materialistic, i'm notrappers are homophobic, i'm notrappers do drugs and drink, i don't
etc
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 November 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link
<q>Lorde, Macklemore, etc. </q>
Lily Allen if there was ever a chance on earth she would chart a single in america
― imago-er not a show-er (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 November 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link