crap debut, went on to greatness!

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dubnobheadwithmybassheadman was a classic elpee. It's their new album that sucks. Apparently the young hipster fellow with the record decks and the happy tablets buggered orf, leaving them mid-40s and bereft.

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:55 (twenty-three years ago)

DB, are you really dismissing "Dazed and Confused", "How Many More Times?", "Good Times Bad Times", and "Communication Breakdown"? Some days I think it's the best LZ album.

Rush and Radiohead are the only examples I can think of where I think the artist has done great work and I also see virtually no value in their debut. On a tangential note, The Bends has been growing on me in a weird way in that I keep hearing it places and liking it.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:03 (twenty-three years ago)

db,

lz and frogs = you need new speakers.

― gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Y Kant Tori Read is actually kinda good. Hair-metal Kate Bush, etc.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, Zep and Frogs is just wrong.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Pablo Honey is not only Radiohead's worst album, but one of the worst albums of all time. I am so glad I never heard it before I got into them.

(Sundar, there are 8 good-great songs on The Bends, and 4 fairly mediocre ones, and the album is best listened to with that in mind)

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:13 (twenty-three years ago)

The Fugees... "Blunted on Reality" was pretty awful.

Common Sense... "Can I Borrow a Dollar" = awful too.

― phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Gatinha: The first Underworld LP was that one produced by Rupert Hine with "Underneath the Radar" on it, though. I don't know what the title was, but I think it was either self-titled or called "Underneath the Radar". It didn't sound much like what they were doing by "dubnobasswithmyheadman". I used to have a bunch of singles and the LP by Freur, the band they were before that. I think I only have the "Doot Doot" 12" now, and some live video footage. I may have a cassette of the 2nd Underworld album "Change the Weather" somewhere, and I might listen to it again if I found it.

Geir: I like the first Genesis album! The box-set versions of songs, without the string arrangements, sound much better to me, though. In comparison, the strings added to the LP versions seem to sap the energy of the performances.

― tom (other), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, sundar and gygax... "Led Zeppelin", great speakers or not, just bores the shit out of me, and their material just gets better and better over time IMHO.

"The Frogs" as well. Doesn't hold a candle to "It's Only Right And Natural".

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Re: Replacements - "Sorry, Ma, I Forgot To Take Out The Trash"
This is a great album! It convinced me that yes, there was good punk.
Re: Travis - Perfunctory, yes, unnessecary, probably - but crap?
Nah. For one thing, Frank Healy's voice sounds better here than
on subsequent releases, wherein he is far too restrained.

I'm finding it very hard to come up with a true example of the
above. Most bad bands were bad from day one, and most good bands
released debut albums that are only "crap" in comparison to their
future accomplishments.

Hmm.
I'll bet that if all 50 million _The Wall_ and
_Dark Side Of the Moon_ buyers heard _Piper At The Gates Of
Dawn_, most of them would find it unlistenable.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and this may be sacrilege to a true ween fan,
but their first two albums sucked eggs.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I would say Bowie too, but I love his first album and all his early stuff way to much (even better than ziggy era stuff).

my pick would be Flaming Lips

― A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 23 March 2003 06:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Dubnobasswithmyheadman was Underworld's 3. album, not their debut.

― man, Sunday, 23 March 2003 07:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Pearl Jam's Ten was crap. Everything since, less a few songs here and there, has been terrific.

― paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 23 March 2003 08:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Re: Underworld.

Yeah! Anything who thinks Dubnobasswithmyheadman is their crap album has obviously never heard Underneath the Radar.

― paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 23 March 2003 08:30 (twenty-three years ago)

"Anything" should read "anyone." ahem...

― paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 23 March 2003 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)

even though i agree that Ten was crap compared to the rest of their stuff, i can't quite abide applying the 'greatness' tag to Pearl Jam.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Sunday, 23 March 2003 10:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I gotta go with Unrest also. they went from tuneless crap to a well crafted decent pop act. Imperial FFRR is not half bad. A rare example of growth

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Sunday, 23 March 2003 14:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and this may be sacrilege to a true ween fan,
but their first two albums sucked eggs.

Well, The Pod I can definitely understand people hating (the slow stuff sure can get on peoples' nerves), but GodWeenSatan: The Oneness is a forkin' MASTERPIECE!!! One of the funniest albums ever. How can you not like an album that has a song called "Let Me Lick Your Pussy"?

― Evan (Evan), Sunday, 23 March 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

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The XTC one isn't that bad, but still extremely inferior compared to their marvellous 1986-onwards stuff.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 17:15 (twenty-three years ago)

What's wrong with either of those?

― paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 23 March 2003 17:16 (twenty-three years ago)

As for the XTC one, I would say, well, it isn't that bad, but they didn't really mature as songwriters until around 79-80. "White Music" contains a couple good singles, but is crowded with way too punk-sounding filler.

The Squeeze album is worse. Producer John Cale apparently didn't like any of their brilliant songs and forced them to write songs while in the studio. Thus, it is a pretty patchy collection of hastily written songs, not at all close to the quality of their following three albums (which were all classics). "Take Me I'm Yours" is still a great song (which was released before the rest of the album was recorded anyway), but the rest of the album was a disaster.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 17:20 (twenty-three years ago)

"Bang Bang" and "Sex Master" together with "Take Me I'm Yours" save it from any deserved derogatory statements.

Of course, standing up for "Bang Bang" and "Sex Master" will probably speak volumes about why I love the first XTC album as well.

― paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 23 March 2003 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

The most horrid thing about that Squeeze album is that tres gauche cover. It actually kept me from throwing it on when I had a copy.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 23 March 2003 17:59 (twenty-three years ago)

That is the gayest album cover ever.

― Evan (Evan), Sunday, 23 March 2003 19:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I specifically _didn't_ mention the first Squeeze album.
It's dispensable, but far from crap;
nerdy, symphonic popsters being forced to play herky-jerky
new wave and doing a fair job of it.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 23 March 2003 23:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Sabres of Paradise
Beach Boys
Plaid
Queens of the Stone Age
Pavement *ducks*
Daft Punk *woah, quit throwing shit at me*

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 23 March 2003 23:40 (twenty-three years ago)

i was going to say "speak and spell" by depeche mode. but it isnt crap! just not as dark as "black celebration"

― kephm, Monday, 24 March 2003 04:23 (twenty-three years ago)

neil young - sorry his first solo is worse than any of his geffen stuff
girls against boys
can - went from cliched psychedelia to funkiest white men alive
brainiac - it has a song or 2
grateful dead

― Boss Pooper, Monday, 24 March 2003 06:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Totally discgree with the disses of Pulp's It - maybe my brain's been tainted by what they have indeed become, but I think it's at least as strong a debut as, say, If You're Feeling Sinister. The fact that nobody really paid any attention to it when it first came out (except for John Peel apparently), doesn't guarentee its crapness. Humph.

In conclusion: The Boo Radleys.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 24 March 2003 06:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Daft Punk!?
DAFT PUNK?!
that's not even funny. not only is it classic but Discovery only makes sense as its sequel. please strike it from the list, thanks.

obv answer = flaming lips.

― pete b. (pete b.), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

was gonna say Pavement myself but that'd be lying. a fun lie, though!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Honestly, I find Homework to be the dullest albums I've ever bought and Discovery the most sonically lush. Homework: few melodies, plodding 4/4 tempos, very little else (around the world is nice though); discovery: loads of nice melodies, danceable choons, loads of nods to other styles, great songs.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 24 March 2003 12:56 (twenty-three years ago)

i've re-listened to it recently and I gotta say that apart from 2-3 standout tracks 'Yo! bum rush the show' is pretty tedious..

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

The s/t Unwound album was recorded first and came out after "Fake Train" and it is pretty crappy.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

"I actually quite like Leisure by Blur, actually. Hell, it's a fuckuva lot better than, say, The Great Escape."

Sacrilege! You're choosing a semi-melodic, instantly forgettable baggy album over THE sharpest set of 90's pop songs! I will defend that album to the grave!

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I will defend that album to the grave!

You go right ahead with that. In fact, I'm going to go home tonight, put on Leisure at a ill-advisedly high volume, open a bottle of beer and use The Great Escape as a coaster.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Nabokov.

― Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 24 March 2003 17:34 (twenty-three years ago)

"Leisure" and "The Great Escape" are both excellent albums. If you are going to use a Blur album as a coaster, then use "13", or wait for their forthcoming, probably crap, R&B-influenced album and use that one as a coaster.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 24 March 2003 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

"You go right ahead with that. In fact, I'm going to go home tonight, put on Leisure at a ill-advisedly high volume, open a bottle of beer and use The Great Escape as a coaster."

I would scold you further, but the fact that you have no "great Escape" in your life is punishment enough!

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)

The Great Escape is incredibly over-produced and half of the songs are just lame pieces of pop trash that speak of overconfidence and lazy writing. There are some standout tracks on it: The Universal, Best Days, He Thought Of Cars. That's about it.
Leisure has some depth and speaks of a dedicated band trying to fulfill some ambitions. It may not be that great, but at least it is not so forced and shamefully poppy as the Great Escape. I'd prefer Leisure.
But Blur's masterpieces are without any doubt Modern Life Is Rubbish and Parklife. I can understand if some would vote for the nameless album. But the Great Escape? Naaaahhhh!!!

― Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:08 (twenty-three years ago)

"it is not so forced and shamefully poppy as the Great Escape"

what on earth is shameful about being poppy?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Aaliyah.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:22 (twenty-three years ago)

NWA

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Poppy isn't shameful by definition, but the poppiness of their Great Escape pop songs is a shameful type of poppiness, judging by the standards they set for themselves with their previous albums.

― Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 12:03 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Great Escape" doesn't differ that much from "Parklife" musically. The only differences being that "The Great Escape" adds an influence from late 70s/early 80s Madness/Specials ska and slightly more synths.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 13:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree the Great Escape is not a huge step away from its predecessor. But I can't see Madness/Specials in it. Many songs sound so effortless that maybe you might mistake them for two-tone inspired songs. Mind that I do not think of it as a terrible album, it's just far less good than MLIR and Parklife but I still won't ever think of selling my copy.
The album just disappointed me, I had heard an early live version of Country House which was superb, and then the produced version was so much of a forced pop-song, it didn't do it justice. Thanks to the overproduction about all of the potential emotion in the songs got lost on the album, save for the ones I mentioned earlier.

― Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

But I can't see Madness/Specials in it

Listen to any early to mid-period Madness song, watch its video. Then listen to "Country House" and look at the video for it.

Then...

Listen to the "More Specials" album, particularly "Stereotype". Then, listen to "Fade Away".

Then...

Listen to any Fun Boy Three single
Then, listen to "T.O.P. M.A.N."

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 13:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Point understood!

― Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Public Enemy's Yo Bumrush The Show was pretty near the low end of rap even at the time it came out.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

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warren zevon wanted dead or alive

― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:35 (eight years ago)

(UK) Squeeze

― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 21:12 (eight years ago)

Yo la Tengo

― rip van wanko, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 21:36 (eight years ago)

Chairlift, who went crap again

― Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:52 (eight years ago)

I love the Latin Van Morrison feel of Greetings From Astbury Park. & the amount of words adds to the cadence.

― Stevolende, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:58 (eight years ago)

a lot of people (not necessarily me) would classify Lana Del Rey here

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:05 (eight years ago)

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