Swans: Classic or Dud?

lol, i've still got public castration is a good idea on vinyl from way back when. should dig it out.

their finest hour imo tho you may want to ease yrself into the bathtub w/ filth first

holy money and children of god burned up in a fire years back. wasn't a fan, but enjoyed thinking about how much someone would pay me for them (song ideas for michael). now i wish i still had them around for actual listening to. are swans on spotify? wow, yeah, a bunch of stuff, anyway. surprises me somehow. gira doesn't seem to have much patience for freeloaders.

wow, that no wave swans debut is kind of great. speaking of groove n all. never heard it before.

one of my favorite things they did. lotta playback value since you won't feel like killing yrself after listening. unfortunately the original mixdown masters were lost and the subsequent 1990 remaster was terrible.

as a general statement their 80s stuff is best heard on vinyl, and the CD remasters pale in comparison, but that 1st EP is unlistenable on CD.

ed what about the 1990 vinyl reissue? still from the same botched masters?

what's vinyl

filth was reissued on CD and vinyl in '90, the CD had the labor EP tacked onto the end. afaik there was no vinyl reissue of the EP by itself?

the '90 vinyl reissue of filth is not that great compared to the 80s pressings, it has the same master as the CD.

GETTING TAKEN TO THE BASEMENT GETTING FUCKED TO EASE SOME TENSION

didn't know bob pezzola also played with these guys round the same time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B7_MeYhnWU

ok according to discogs there *was* a '90 vinyl reish of the labor EP on young god. I never heard it but considering the '90 young god reish of filth on vinyl had a less than optimal mix/master, I assume the EP is the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oeZmWUl8dM lol

what's vinyl

― markers, Thursday, August 1, 2013 4:39 PM (Yesterday)

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poor markers

ok according to discogs there *was* a '90 vinyl reish of the labor EP on young god. I never heard it but considering the '90 young god reish of filth on vinyl had a less than optimal mix/master, I assume the EP is the same.

― this gtr climbed mt. washington (Edward III), Friday, 2 August 2013 03:52

Yeah this is what I was referring to, I trust yr judgment if u have heard the Filth reish.

i used to have the Speak EP reissue on vinyl.. and it sounded ok to me at the time... but that EP has a much more brittle, tinny sound that the first LP - which sounds like it was recorded in a swamp..

now i wish i never sold it, and the Circus Mort 12" I had as well :-(

I interviewed Michael Gira a couple of days ago ahead of Swans' Irish shows next week.

with those shows in mind, how loud are Swans live circa 2013?

They get loud - last time I saw 'em was 2010 or 2011, and I was glad for earplugs.

Good interview!

Saw them within a month of seeing MBV earlier this year, and the two were comparably loud, but Swans were more physical. If that makes sense.

Definitely glad of earplugs at both.

Man this looks like it could be interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl-gLgjV4SI&feature=youtu.be

So uh what's the deal with ANOTHER 2CD set? What does Michael Gira have against editing?

hey, no complaints here!

Swans songs-albs have been long for....fifteen years or more now? Gira has never made any secret of his love for Floydian jams like 'Set the Controls..', and 'new' Swans have been working towards that for a while.

But as sleeve sez, bring it on.

i still can't get over thor's stupid bossy "how to live" listicle
it's making swans difficult for me to like! how do i get over this?

Where is this list?

http://monofonuspress.com/how-to-live-like-a-king-for-very-little-by-thor-harris

mostly pretty sensible tbh. I'm gonna assume the jerkier bits were contributed by she who shall not be named.

And why the fuck should we not all be excited by another two hours of fucking SWANS? bring it.

i should just try to forget about it
it's not his recommendations themselves that bother me, but the writing of the list in the first place
just gonna try to unsee it

haha I thought you were talking about the "how to survive on tour" list, hadn't seen that one

I dont know why the list bothers you that much, I thought it was pretty good.

Had no idea Palmer knew any Swans people.

Other than speeding tickets and cirrhosis this seems... suspect:

16. PREVENTABLE EXPENSES - STD’S, ABORTIONS, DWI’S, LUNG CANCER, HEAD INJURIES, SPEEDING TICKETS, CIRRHOSIS OF THE LIVER.

Drummer named Thor has no sympathy for those who are not masters of their domain, film at eleven

Yeah, some of rule 16 was a bit odd. I think most people try to avoid head injury.

Is cirrhosis easy for everyone to avoid?

WRITE IN ALL CAPS, LIKE A BOSS

NEws of St Vincent and Swans teaming up - *falls down dead, goes to heaven*

the list is smug, misanthropic, quite up itself in a teenage-y way unbecoming a guy of his age tbh

Contributions from Amanda Palmer. God she gets everywhere doesn't she?

9. If you like booze, drink at home with your neighbors.

10. Do people favors. It’s called Cooperation. It’s how the world worked before money.

^ so misanthropic

So the recording of the new album was fan funded but it's being released by Mute? I'm all for Gira taking control of his career etc, but it seems like funding a Swans album would be pocket change for Mute, no?

xp

i'm not gonna get into "don't have kids" on here

good point

xp

I think most of it was advice in an exaggerrated manner, I'm sure plenty of his friends and associates break plenty of these rules (especially about having kids. I doubt he sneers at Gira for having children).

I don't want to overexplain this, but it's the simple fact that he wrote a presumptive aggrieved-sounding list of unsolicited advice -- it's that impulse that repulses me, not the content. Although that's pretty bad in some places too. Anyway, I am trying to say who cares and move on.

it's like the hardman version of "dance like no one's watching"

^^

gonna go with "unbecoming for a man his age" here

another addition could be "work for yourself, don't be anybody's fucking paid employee"... oh wait

guys, it's nothing to get offended at. it's jokey in tone

I found it obnoxious too but it doesn't effect my enjoyment of the band at all, come on LL. I dont think I'd want to meet any of these guys in person anyway!

Yeah, this is Swans.