lol...as the top of the youtube box explicitly says. not sure i'm feeling that new feature tbh
― k3vin k., Thursday, 19 February 2009 07:05 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah it really ruins youtube zings and lols
― rev. al shipley (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 February 2009 07:05 (fifteen years ago) link
and then she followed it up with a twitter conversation with erykah badu about kids' bedtimes and breastfeeding
― lex pretend, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link
btw i love that youtube feature. i can decide whether i want to play something without having to click through to find out what it is
― lex pretend, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:47 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^
― The Reverend (rev), Thursday, 19 February 2009 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34STLHtu97A
lex, do you still hate this song?(original still high in my top ten)
― goodbye indie, hello trendy. (Tape Store), Friday, 13 November 2009 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Dirty Projectors
― see-those-tit-ies (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 04:09 (fourteen years ago) link
i honestly have no interest in hearing it at all, and am totally giving the side-eye to people who never cared about hearing solange's album but are now all like "omgzzz she covered an indie band" - fuck off!
― lex pretend, Friday, 13 November 2009 09:36 (fourteen years ago) link
My tastes generally lean indie, but I like Solange's album more than any Dirty Projectors album. That said, this is a really good cover.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 13 November 2009 09:42 (fourteen years ago) link
lex, a problem with that logic (not that this is remotely the only one) is that a whole bunch of people who already like solange think this is great, including myself
― becky & robbie's bogus journalism (The Reverend), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link
probably better than the DPs covering Solange
― mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link
so?
― goodbye indie, hello trendy. (Tape Store), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Dear Solange, autotune is yr friend. kthxbai
― Turangalila, Friday, 13 November 2009 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm trying to pinpoint why this doesn't work
i guess it just feels sorta lifeless and super self-conscious to me? i think she sucked all the energy and passion out of the original when she decided to turn a sorta-soulful indie song into A. CLASSIC. SOUL. COVER.
idk, it's by no means bad, but it's too calculated for me to actually enjoy :/
― goodbye indie, hello trendy. (Tape Store), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah lex listen to this, it's great
― k3vin k., Friday, 13 November 2009 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link
kinda wish you could hear it w/out knowing it was a cover
― Turangalila, Friday, November 13, 2009 11:39 AM (3 minutes ago)
what?
― k3vin k., Friday, 13 November 2009 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link
i wonder how a cover can be non-calculated
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link
haha yeah it's like she's humming to herself and all the sudden she's hitting the exact same notes in the same order as a dirty projectors song and just happens to be in a studio with the sound on
i think there's some pretty interesting vocal stuff going on, esp. rhythmically. def. her own interpretation of the dp's voices-as-instruments thing.
― hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link
you should look up the definition of 'inspired' xpost
― goodbye indie, hello trendy. (Tape Store), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link
also 'calculated'
3 a : planned or contrived to accomplish a purpose b
pretty sure this = by nature every cover
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't know how solange doesn't make this a CLASSIC. SOUL. COVER. - that's like... the music that she sings? unless of course she tried to make it a cover that sounds like boards of canada?
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link
how could the futureheads turn this kate bush song into a rousing post-punk cover
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link
lol at lex being a corny indie fuck but about r'n'b instead of indie
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link
k3vin k., I luv her but she's just not a very good singer.
― Turangalila, Friday, 13 November 2009 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh come on, people. Solange is pretty much the most indie-friendly RnB singer I can think of. Still, I'm not really feeling this cover - don't think the song is strong enough in the first place.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link
nick otm
― becky & robbie's bogus journalism (The Reverend), Friday, 13 November 2009 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link
yes color me shocked by lex's response - lol @ humans breathing, lol @ the sky being blue, lol @ the sun rising
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link
guitar lick is badu's 'bag lady', no?
― like moses, the townfolk like the red sea (stevie), Friday, 13 November 2009 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link
yes
― Turangalila, Friday, 13 November 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
which is apparently sampled from something else
― hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Friday, 13 November 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
honestly, when i first heard the DP original, my thought was 'oh hey this is like R'n'B, maybe i should listen to more of that'
i honestly have no interest in hearing it at all, and am totally giving the side-eye to people who never cared about hearing solange's album but are now all like "omgzzz she covered an indie band" - fuck off!― lex pretend, Friday, November 13, 2009 3:36 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― lex pretend, Friday, November 13, 2009 3:36 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
right but i didn't even know solange existed ~as a person~ until i randomly clicked on the DP thread. now i do!
― lots of jerks (gbx), Friday, 13 November 2009 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8PN4v-Lud0
― hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Friday, 13 November 2009 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4vKWFCWw04
― becky & robbie's bogus journalism (The Reverend), Friday, 13 November 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
I am now imagining lex throwing shade to literal strawmen
― becky & robbie's bogus journalism (The Reverend), Friday, 13 November 2009 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRZ2s_VMffQ
― becky & robbie's bogus journalism (The Reverend), Friday, 13 November 2009 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
okay now if anyone could tell me where that lick that's sampled/replayed all the way through 'booty' comes from i would be a very happy bunny (is heard at 3 minutes in to the above video)
― like moses, the townfolk like the red sea (stevie), Friday, 13 November 2009 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
best parts of this cover are in the latter half, where she moves beyond the original's pacing and starts fucking with the phrasing and the tempo...right around the bridge, I guess? 'isn't life just a mirage of the world' 'where does time begin where does space end where do you and i...etc.etc.
but as i reflect, i suppose that its impact would be lessened if the entire cover was a straight up reinterpretation that didn't hew fairly closely to the DP version at the outset.
― wrapped up, packed up, ribbon with a donk on it (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 13 November 2009 18:17 (fourteen years ago) link
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― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:46 (3 hours ago) Permalink
ok, but i don't like being reminded that the person is singing something to "accomplish a purpose." it's forced, just like these 'zings'
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:47 (3 hours ago) Permalink
um, are you not picking up on my obvious message? solange is not v good at all at CLASSIC. SOUL. COVERS. they're not CLASSIC. SOUL. COVERS. they're trying desperately hard to be. but they're not because, like this cover, she's so frustratingly self-conscious. i mean, i guess it could be worse, but she's about as successfully retro as the pipettes. yawn. also maybe because she's a dull vocalist and her songs aren't that great?
― goodbye indie, hello trendy. (Tape Store), Friday, 13 November 2009 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link
sandcastle disco aside
― goodbye indie, hello trendy. (Tape Store), Friday, 13 November 2009 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
don't see how this is trying to be retro at all
― hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Friday, 13 November 2009 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't particularly like her image either but it's not nearly as frustratingly retro as her recorded material (in fact, since it uses a sample that's most famous for being in a dr. dre song, maybe not all that retro at all). it sounds soulful to me and i think it's a very confident performance, way less frivolous (and sure, way less pipettes-y) than her normal stuff. i still don't pick up on it being contrived tho, not at least more or less than other covers. she picked a song in a different genre and adapted it to her style of music. idk.
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
TBH it did piss me off when my IRL friends whose only contact with rap/r&b comes remixed by Diplo were raving about this today. i'm always recommending them good shit to listen to but this is what it takes clearly.
― david cam'ron (tpp), Friday, 13 November 2009 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I promise you this is not just a strawman ting
― david cam'ron (tpp), Friday, 13 November 2009 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah it's only in the last year that i've had indie-oriented friends who would never listen to r&b unless it had some kind of angle like this.
― hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Friday, 13 November 2009 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I am offended that someone insinuated that the dirty projectors have soul on this thread
― it's a harb knock life for us (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 13 November 2009 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link
― david cam'ron (tpp), Friday, November 13, 2009 4:24 PM (18 minutes ago)
yeah i sympathize w/ this, though it shouldnt prevent someone who likes solange from giving it a chance *COUGH*
xp only if you think "soul" isn't completely meaningless
― k3vin k., Friday, 13 November 2009 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link
This strikes me as a pleasingly random songchoice - c.f. Sugbabaes covering the Arctic Monkeys. I guess an equivalent of that would have been covering, I dunno, "My Girls"? Which almost certainly would have failed.
On Twitter I asked Lex what the clear distinction was between people getting into Solange because she covers Dirty Projectors and people getting into The XX because they cover "Do You Mind" and "Teardrops", and he said "those are good songs."
Which makes sense (from his perspective - I like "Stillness Is The Move" though obv not as much as "Do You Mind" or "Teardrops") but doesn't add up to some kind of ethical distinction by itself.
I think the motivation in both is "hey look we/I have broader taste than you might think and look how cleverly we can turn this into our chosen genre type" i.e. it's broadsheet/press release fodder on some levels, but on others serves to underscore both the performer's aesthetic solidity and their sensititivty.
Much worse is that kind of Sugababes/Arctic Monkeys (or conversely any indie or rock band covering Britney or etc.) thing where it's like the songchoice is designed to the beat you over the head with the genre contrast.
I wonder if any country fans got suspicious of pop fans who became excited when Taylor Swift covered "Umbrella" etc.
― Tim F, Saturday, 14 November 2009 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link