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i emphasize that Blues People is a great book though. I'm sorry that isn't convincing enough.

Substitute Blues People with, say, "The Bible" and you see why we're a bit bugged here. Fundamentalism's pretty boring in any guise.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread just makes me feel all...

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i dunno, just kinda...

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Substitute Blues People with, say, "The Bible" and you see why we're a bit bugged here. Fundamentalism's pretty boring in any guise.

Or in some cases, extremely funny.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

blount, i'm still making your cards. i have not forgotten.

― doomnut bietch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Or in some cases, extremely funny.

There's always room for variety.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/brasil-6.jpg

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anyone told Momus about this thread?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

(Also, Wooster ROXX.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

http://hipsterdetritus.blogspot.com/cam.gif

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

aaah mike you're a ninja.
are you gunning for the late JON WILLIAMS throne?

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

w.r.t. cam'ron: h-h-h-HOW???

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

hey cam'ron shrunk and now you can't make out the 'rapper' title above his name.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

the original poster was looking for "opera". with breakbeats.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anyone told Momus about this thread?

Momus has his filter set so threads about hip-hop aren't visible

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Fundamentalism's pretty boring in any guise.

I'd be interested to see how you think Blues People is "fundamentalism."

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Antipop ruined a really good Matthew Shipp record.

― Michael Patrick Brady (Michael Patrick Brady), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

James:

1. Play Squarepusher in one CD player
2. Play Ned Raggett Reads the Almanac in another

This should be something akin to what you seek

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Fundamentalism's pretty boring in any guise.

http://www.victorynetwork.org/ArtFile/BillySunday2.jpg

― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd be interested to see how you think Blues People is "fundamentalism."

(pssst, ddrake, I don't think Ned was talking about the book)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(but you wouldn't understand anyway since you haven't read either A. Keimig's Fundamentalism and Music Criticism: The Chasm No One Dare Cross nor Kenneth Le's Sound & Analysis In A Subjective World and many other books like it)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

(trying to make the point clearer and clearer here, ya know)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

fool's errand db

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

le sigh.

(still making your card, cinnibuns)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Cinniblount, you missed the point at the beginning of the thread.
If Ned means me assuming he had not read it, in that case he should have paid attention to what I posted waaaaay up there at the beginning of the thread when he said that: That he wasn't displaying any knowledge of having comprehended the book.
And where the fuck did these wise-ass remarks about me acting as if I know what people have and have not heard or have and have not read come from? I've never pretended to have any knowledge of any of yr experiences, merely attacked the EVIDENCE of those experiences - failure to acknowledge the relevent parts of the book in question and failure to reflect any sort of knowledge about hip hop in a list. PM Dawn = #26.

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

That he wasn't displaying any knowledge of having comprehended the book

This is why people have been using the word "fundamentalism" over the last ten or twenty posts, btw

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to just mention how un-clever I think all these posted pictures are.

AHHAHAHAHHA1!1!!1!!

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

J0hn, perhaps you can clarify, because I don't get what yr getting at.

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

mike's are way clever. everyone else did ok. i'm pretty unhappy with mine.

world destructor is pretty cool but i wouldn't rank it above pm dawn.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the book itself made many valid points. It is flawed in some ways, and I'm not saying he should strictly follow nor agree with what it discusses, but certainly it reflects the ways in which music developed and what was valued in music in the seperate black and white communities throughout U.S. history with trenchent accuracy.

I'd rank PM Dawn somewhere between Arrested Development and Talib Kweli.

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Clarifying: you read Blues People. For you, it seems to have been a revelatory experience, opening new vistas for you: perhaps confirming some things you'd already thought, perhaps introducing new ideas to you, perhaps challenging you to reexamine some of your own beliefs. Great! Someone else may read Blues People and think, "What a load of shit! Everything in this book is front-loaded nonsense designed for further an ideology that's never clearly articulated." If someone reads Blues People and has that reaction, it doesn't mean they "didn't understand" the book. It means that that was their take on it. The classic example of this sort of phenomenon is with fundamentalist Christians, who will tell you that if you read the New Testament and didn't convert, then you "didn't understand" it. This, too, is horseshit.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Or, perhaps I'm asking for him to clarify what it is he doesn't agree with? Which would have been a relevant thing to discuss back when I first mentioned the book waaaaaay back in the thread. But it was much easier to take the easier way out and personally insult me for another 400 posts.

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

hey ddrake would it be lame if i posted really good PM Dawn photos? because i really like browsing on google images but ... i guess i feel that i don't have anything to show for it if i don't post them somewhere.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

hehehe. PM Dawn is hilarious. Post away.

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

it was much easier to take the easier way out

You'd know.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

FOR THE CLOSE CAPTIONED:

"The classic example of this sort of phenomenon is with fundamentalist Christians, who will tell you that if you read the New Testament and didn't convert, then you "didn't understand" it."

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Give him another 200 posts, DB, he'll start claiming that's what he meant all along at that stage of the game.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Just making sure people with impaired vision can read J0hn's last point there... I care for the blind.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

99% I regret when I post pictures.

― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I'D know?! I've explained my opinion every time someone's asked and haven't made personal insults along the way.
perhaps you can explain yourself (for once) with more than a two-word wise ass response that isn't even clever?

Hey donut, I got it. Read what followed.
I asked him to explain why he disagreed.

Are YOU having trouble reading?

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post, responding to ddrake

Well, but what you said was: That he wasn't displaying any knowledge of having comprehended the book

That's fundamentalism. What he wasn't displaying was that his knowledge conformed to yours.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I care for the blind.

I care, much like Carrow's.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I do like Billy Sunday though.

― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Elmer Gantry is more my kinda guy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

and haven't made personal insults along the way

Remember, Ned, than when anyway tells you "ned, seriously, fuck you", they mean love and bunnies.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Give him another 200 posts, DB, he'll start claiming that's what he meant all along at that stage of the game.

ONCE again, another bullshit "hahahahaah I'm so funny" comment by Ned, instead of actually explaining or arguing any sort of point here. Assuming one portion of my argument that isn't accurate, reposting it over and over again....oh yr so clever.

Fucker.

That's fundamentalism. What he wasn't displaying was that his knowledge conformed to yours.

I got yr point smartass. And my follow up was "so what was it that you disagreed with."

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Remember, Ned, than when anyway tells you "ned, seriously, fuck you", they mean love and bunnies.

I ALWAYS assume that, DB. And when somebody calls me a 'fucker,' it is only out of the spirit of agape as the Greeks spoke of.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Remember, Ned, than when anyway tells you "ned, seriously, fuck you", they mean love and bunnies.

I told ned to fuck himself in response to a cavalcade of personal insults he'd already heaped on me in this thread. Wise ass remarks, etc etc etc

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

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