CHRIS BROWN

as far as thinking deeper and looking harder, there are plenty of other people I'd rather do that for. but not fucking Chris Brown.

as far as the question "is it easier to demonize a black person", well of course it is. we have a pretty pronounced race problem in the United States, in case you haven't kept up with a certain other thread on ILX in the last week or so.

it is v tru that race is a significant factor in CB getting demonised more than other abusers but my takeaway is not that we should ease off on him but that we should pile on harder to the sean penns of the world

Also this is a celebrity controversy we're talking about so it kinda makes a major difference that the person he abused was a huge celebrity and we saw her face all beaten and bruised.

Like we can keep pretending there are many identical situations with white celebs and how interesting that people are so much more vocal about the young black man but the fact is there aren't.

n/m something similar was just said, I need to stay off this thread, it's a neverending groundhog day of repeated arguments

again, i think chris brown is a slug who's basically gotten away with multiple violent crimes, but when people say stuff like "I don't think anybody who hits a woman should be put on a stage" and question whether he should be allowed to enter a country, and someone points out the reasons we might be treating him differently then we have other people accused of similar crimes, saying "nuh uh! i'd totally hate a white musician accused of abuse (in the future) if they were really bad at apologizing" is kind of needlessly defensive.

I wanna disagree, just because I think "complexities" are often invoked here as a way of saying "and that's why I'm just going to talk about the music," which I think is baloney, but on a much smaller scale, Jef Whitehead gets two years probation for aggravated domestic batter and people in the scene - people I consider good guys, people who aren't dumb - fall all over themselves to do the "two sides to every story, let's hash this out" dance when talking to/about him. Or even talk shit about the victim. Even when the dude then releases an album called True Traitor, True Whore people write intro grafs to their pieces that elide the whole thing instead of maybe going "hey, convicted woman-beater dude, no press oxygen for you here."

This is apples & oranges in one sense, most people on this thread are gonna have to google Jef Whitehead to know what I'm even talking about. But the principle holds - the white dude gets a "but can we trust the accuser?" treatment (which is bullshit btw. I think he should be ostracized and ignored, as should Chris Brown). The black guy gets petitions to keep him from playing. There is unquestionably a race dynamic to all this - but the solution isn't to give Chris Brown any kind of a pass, it's to stop being selective about which misogynist assholes get called out

let's not forget that chris brown has also had a wonderfully successful career since

petitions aside

i think the fact that Chris Brown is A) incredibly high profile and B) beat up someone who was ALSO incredibly high profile and C) pictures of a beat up Rihanna surfaced immediately and that despite this he's D) completely unremorseful contributes to that reaction a lot more than race

I mean if you wanna talk about a crime committed by an equally high profile white dude, look at the way Ben Roethlisburger has been treated the last few years, and he wasn't even charged with anything

aero otm. to be accused isn't necessarily to be guilty, but sometimes there's little room for doubt. whitehead and brown cases are similar in that regard. i dunno about the scene in general, but iirc, there was basically no ILX support for or equivocation about whitehead. i liked leviathan, but quit listening or buying that day.

otoh, i did recommend lurker of chalice on varg thread, so i'm as hypocritical as anyone.

There is unquestionably a race dynamic to all this - but the solution isn't to give Chris Brown any kind of a pass, it's to stop being selective about which misogynist assholes get called out

not a single person has suggested chris brown should get any kind of pass

on this thread, i mean.

anyway some dude otm, re "I need to stay off this thread, it's a neverending groundhog day of repeated arguments". People are just going to keep bringing up that there are other factors than race, as if anyone's suggesting otherwise.

The Chris Brown thread in the sky keeps on turning. Lex and aero otm, though.

i think the fact that Chris Brown is A) incredibly high profile and B) beat up someone who was ALSO incredibly high profile and C) pictures of a beat up Rihanna surfaced immediately and that despite this he's D) completely unremorseful contributes to that reaction a lot more than race

― frogbs, Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:22 AM Bookmark

3/4 apply to Sean Penn

on the way home from work I was listening to guns n roses and fleetwood mac. i thought about this thread. i still hate chris brown.

bwhahahaha Frank Ocean ftw

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/theboombox.com/files/2013/09/Screen-shot-2013-09-06-at-4.13.50-PM.png

LMFAO

GOAT

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/04/chris-brown-rihanna-interview-x

so... Chris Brown has inadvertently told the world he was sexually assaulted at age 8

That...doesn't really surprise me.

Is it wrong that I am holding the seeming-to-me contradictory opinions "what a terrible thing to happen to a kid" and "motherfuck this dude forever"?

naw

phew

http://oliviaacole.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/chris-brown-and-a-nation-of-raped-boys/

glad ppl have written about that. i was actually stunned at the way he spoke about it positively in that interview but i guess i shouldn't have been.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/27/showbiz/chris-brown-arrested/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

It was weird to wake up to that headline because I've been working in D.C. all weekend like 8 blocks from there

So he's in jail now?

"I'm not into this gay s**t, I'm into boxing," Brown said before swinging at one of the men, the sources alleged.

This hits a little close to home; years ago I was assaulted by a stranger who "wanted to box." (I wasn't trying to photobomb my attacker; he just appeared out of the darkness on my walk home and clobbered me, but still it makes my blood boil thinking about it. I guess "box" is the vernacular meatheads use to convince themselves that their violence is a consensual act.)

That quote, even in context, makes no sense and sounds like something dude made up to get a check out of this whole situation. Chris is an idiot, but c'mon. It's very likely the guy is trying to cash out.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/D93t_NCgPVs/hqdefault.jpg

Oh...it's you.

hard-hitting analysis from Cousin Slappy

I am the world's biggest hater of Chris Brown and I think he was semi-justified in swinging on this dude.

It would have been a better story if he'd punched Bieber.

The prosecutor in the Chris Brown felony assault case is named Nick Canon.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Nick Cannon, the lead prosecutor

2 felony charges of wildin out

lol

Reduced to misdemeanor. Maybe we were wrong about this guy.

i'd like to reduce the number of teeth in his mouth

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/wp/2013/10/30/chris-brown-checks-into-rehab-after-d-c-arrest/

Rehab

addicted to being a violent shithead

unfortunately "show me" is kind of amazing

fortunately you're wrong but ty 4 dn

n/m i did that display name a year ago lol

haha