To "rock fans", what is meant to be the canonical, everyone can agree on, album of the decade?

if Depeche Mode turned in a experimental trip-rock band they might sound like this

thanks for ensuring I'll never listen to them!

some records that came out

2000:
relationship of command - at the drive-in
parachutes - coldplay
the white pony - deftones
the sickness - disturbed
veni, vedi, vicious - hives
hybrid theory - linkin park
mad season - matchbox 20
kid a - radiohead
1000 hurts - shellac
all hands on the bad one - sleater kinney

2001:
love and theft - bob dylan
vision creation newsun - boredoms
sinner - drowning pool
gorillaz - gorillaz
origin of symmetry - muse
silver side up - nickelback
rock steady - no doubt
come clean - puddle of mudd
oh, inverted world - shins
break the cycle - staind
is this it - strokes
toxicity - system of a down
lateralus - tool

2002:
source tags and codes - ...and you will know us by the trail of dead
i get wet - andrew WK
beaches and canyons - black dice
yoshimi battles the pink robots - flaming lips
oceanic - isis
neon golden - notwist
songs for the deaf - queens of the stone age
yankee hotel foxtrot - wilco

2003:
transatlanticism - death cab for cutie
a mark, a mission, a brand, a scar - dashboard confessional
kid rock - kid rock
hypermagic mountain - lightning bolt
de-loused in the comatorium - mars volta
sing sing death house - the distillers
the real new fall LP - the fall
elephant - white stripes
fever to tell - yeah yeah yeahs

2004:
sung tongs - animal collective
funeral - arcade fire
crimes - blood brothers
franz ferdinand - franz ferdinand
american idiot - green day
they were wrong, so we drowned - liars
leviathan - mastodon
vol. 3: the subliminal verses - slipknot
burned mind - wolf eyes

2005:
X&Y - coldplay
from under the cork tree - fall out boy
blessed black wings - high on fire
wonderful rainbow - lightning bolt
frances the mute - mars volta
gimme fiction - spoon
black one - sunn0)))
hypnotize - system of a down
standing in the way of control - the gossip
separation sunday - the hold steady

2006:
the warning - hot chip
blood mountain - mastodon
black holes and revelations - muse
the black parade - my chemical romance
pearl jam - pearl jam
10,000 days - tool
return to cookie mountain - tv on the radio

2007:
new wave - against me!
mirrored - battles
pink - boris
infinity on high - fall out boy
in rainbows - radiohead

2008:
saint dymphna - gang gang dance
vampire weekend - vampire weekend
oracular spectacular - MGMT
when the world comes down - all american rejects
pretty. odd - panic at the disco

2009:
merriweather post pavilion - animal collective

somewhere in there = a definement of sorts. plus why am i supposed to care who started this thread?

lol louis and DJ, yeah i could sit here and post shit off like the first blind shake record and all this other obscure shit i like but they are not going to be canonized.

lot of that stuff i listed isn't gonna be canonized, either, but i expect that pretty much all of it will be listened to and talked about and playlisted and soundtracked and passed on for a long, long time. defining the decade, defining "rock music" in some sense, defining whatever comes next. some of it canonized by people who do that for a living, most of it just listened to by people.

You've left out LCD Soundsystem, which has cheered me up a bit. Seems a fairly accurate reflection of consensus. Listened to MPP last night again, and despite the occasionally pleasant melody, I REALLY don't get why it's so beloved, beyond "it has a big sound and lots of spangly noises". Good opening track, but pretty dull when faced with its plaudits.

This thread was started as obvious trolling for challopry and general amusement; taking it seriously undermines the deliberately crass gaucheness of the question (i.e. clearly there isn't one canonical, agreed-upon album, especially a "rock" album, whatever that means, and to claim that there is one is in a word stupid). You've done slightly different and given a list of albums from all popular genres that you reckon would figure largely in end-of-decade thoughts.

Matt OTM, and I wasn't actually suggesting for a second that Ulver should be part of a general "canon". They make music for only the most inquisitive listeners to pursue at their leisure.

*something slightly different

i thought about LCD soundsystem, then retardedly left em off the list! no idea why. debut and SOS definitely should be on there. easy money canon fodder.

also, i'm a moran for leaving up the bracket and libertines s/t off the list. so transatlantic aphasias. teaches of peaches?

silver side up - nickelback
rock steady - no doubt
come clean - puddle of mudd

^^among these imo

rock steady - no doubt

^am v. happy with how much love this is receiving

i have to figure that funeral wd be the archetypal 00s album bcz the 00s is where i stopped giving a f*ck abt current music, and arcade fire actually played a pretty big part in that...

funeral - no one then knew that what they were mourning was Time Itself..

They make music for only the most inquisitive listeners to pursue at their leisure.

Do you even notice anymore when your semantics are contradictory?

other albums i've been wanting to check out:

wolf eyes - burned mind
shellac - 10000 hurts
sunno))) - black one
comets on fire - blue cathedral
ulver - blood inside (thx lj!)
avey tare and panda bear - spirit theyre gione spirit theyve vanished
melt banana - cell scape

also:

the clientele - strange geometery

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i think he meant they make music for columbo

teaches of peaches?

my pretend girlfriend's favourite album (don't ask)

xp lol (ahh columbo)

blue cathedral is cool, not mind-blowing or anything
burned mind is totally awesome but only when you're in the mood
cell-scape is flat-out brilliance

and black one is like burned mind but even more mood-specific, can be a right old slog if you're not in full-on zombie-zen patience mode

the first comets on fire, field recordings on the sun, it way more mind-blowing but i like blue cathedral more as the middle ground between total freakout and becoming sort of more like the Dead.

yeah, what i've heard of "field recordings from the sun" is way more freaked-out than blue cathedral, which is more "classic rock" if anything, albeit with some mighty noised-out moments, especially towards the end of the album ("blue tomb" is really, REALLY nice)

10000 hurts and blood inside are both great.

i am 100% ignorant when it comes to comets on fire, prob should fix that, although the whole turning into the dead thing makes me squeamish.

i like sunn o))) in concept but never actually enjoy them in reality.

^^^^sorta this, although Black One really clicks in specific circumstances.

I wasn't gonna further comment on Blood Inside because I've already done enough of that tbh. Would like to hear the Shellac record.

its genius and is really the only shellac record that kind of scrapes at the big black catologue in terms of awesomeness. (note: have not heard italian greyhoud. anyone know if the vinyl has the same "accessory" as 100 hurts?)

left a zero out to make up for the extra one i already used.

this might be my noms for outerspacial timecapsular "00 teh canon", ranked:

1) standing in the way of control - the gossip (2005)
2) elephant - the white stripes (2003)
3) rock steady - no doubt (2001)
4) all hands on the bad one - sleater kinney (2000)
5) kid a - radiohead (2000)
6) songs for the deaf - queens of the stone age (2002)
7) LCD soundsystem - LCD soundsystem (2004)
8) is this it - strokes (2001)
9) franz ferdinand - franz ferdinand (2004)
10) gimme fiction - spoon (2005)

not my favorite rock records of decade by any means, but some split between my tastes and what seems retrospectively "important" / likely to be widely remembered & loved. nothing after 2005, which is funny: no contemp indie beardo shit. no wolf parade or fleet foxes or shins or arcade fire or whatever. probly just a reflection of waht DAM said (my finally disconnecting from the pop rock mainstream somewhere around the 06).

plus, drugs, you should totally get into those wolf eyes (burned mind, dread, dead hills), shellacs (1000 hurts = GR*!), sunns (black one is the only real necessary). and cell-scape yah! on the fence, re: the blood inside.

JJ-

yep italian greyhound comes with a loose CD, the vinyl packaging is quite simple to die for, as per usual.

my personal ranking of shellac records:

1) Terraform
2) At Action Park
3) 1000 Hurts
4) Excellent Italian Greyhound

NOTE: whisper thin margin between the first three...much larger separation between the 3rd and 4th

Greyhound is "okay"...has a handful of super classic Shellac jams, esp End of Radio...some of the filler feels really slight. too much Bob singing.

is this thread too nood without mention of pink, avril, k clarkson, etc?

i guess i consider those artists pop music that uses some rock sonic signifiers rather than actual rock music.

me too, but i'm not sure that "i consider" is the most significant issue here. do a lot of other ppl think of them as rock artists? in 10 or 20 years time will they seem to represent "rock in the new millennium"?

[this might be my noms for outerspacial timecapsular "00 teh canon", ranked:

1) standing in the way of control - the gossip (2005)

do you live in not America?

i guess i consider those artists pop music that uses some rock sonic signifiers rather than actual rock music.

― Yo, I just copped dat brand new Manity Kane cd. (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:37 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

me too, but i'm not sure that "i consider" is the most significant issue here. do a lot of other ppl think of them as rock artists? in 10 or 20 years time will they seem to represent "rock in the new millennium"?

― contenderizer, Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:41 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this made me think about shit

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in the 70s or 80s was there shit we would now consider rock no question but at the time folks was like "id consider this pop that uses rock signifiers" or whatev

"rock signifiers" only came into being when pop when all robot beats and keyborads. they were still using live guitars and keybs until the mid-80s

*went

do you live in not America?

― Whiney G. Weingarten

i not live in not america. and maybe my love for the record/band is distorting my view, but wait and see. i have the feeling that this will become a serious long-term rock icon record. just a guess...

kreytisborads

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When people think "pop" now they think of britney songs that are made in some ProTools gizmo not shit like The Bay City Rollers which was a band

or I guess maybe you could say Pat Benatar was the Pink to Olivia Newton John's Britney because she dressed like a punk rocker?

When people think "pop" now they think of britney songs that are made in some ProTools gizmo not shit like The Bay City Rollers which was a band

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yeah i see what you're saying...more just my own definition but i don't really consider, say, the current format of Of Montreal "rock" music either

or I guess maybe you could say Pat Benatar was the Pink to Olivia Newton John's Britney because she dressed like a punk rocker?

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benatar though had a band, had that big burly dude she was married to.

re: and what

i think in the 70s, it was more like, this isn't ROCK, man, it's fucking "punk" bullshit (or disco bullshit, or funk bullshit, or maybe even pop bullshit). applied to stuff like talking heads, chic, pistols, blondie, devo, parliament -- all of which now seem like canon. same with early 00s rejection of prince, b-52s, michael jackson, mark knopfler's "MTV faggots", etc.

plus, yeah: rockist objections to the likes of pat benatar, peter frampton, bay city rollers

but "band vs. not-band" as the divider between "rock & not-rock" now seems totally dead, regardless of what carducci might say

thing is, i sort of agree with carducci and think he is bonkers but mostly OTM.

me too, but i'm not sure that "i consider" is the most significant issue here. do a lot of other ppl think of them as rock artists? in 10 or 20 years time will they seem to represent "rock in the new millennium"?

― contenderizer

lol what no

maybe not. i suppose there's every reason to think the current rough definition of "rock" will persist with core intact for 20+ years. and even if the mainstream conception shifts over time, there'll still be a bunch of stoners in ripped jeans spinning OM (or the yardbirds) in a basement somewhere, laughing at the idea that "shit like pink" could be considered rock by any standard.

just floating the thought

i realize i am simplifying this to the absolute max here but basically shouldn't "rock" be guitar driven? i think the point you raised was interesting if you took it indirectly but i dont think we'll ever be calling "womanizer" a rock song

my feeling is if you call any contemporary western genre "rock" you're really just falling into the same world as all those Rolling Stone "greatest rock albums of all time" lists with 8 token rap/dance/etc. albums. i don't think "rock" necessarily should signify bands or guitars or live drums or whatever, and the gray area there is more gray than ever, but still it ain't hard to make the distinction.

shouldn't "rock" be guitar driven? i think the point you raised was interesting if you took it indirectly but i dont think we'll ever be calling "womanizer" a rock song

― k3vin k.

^ it is, currently (more or less), but things are getting awful shakey in that regard. what is a "guitar"? an instrument, sure, but isn't it also a sound? and isn't music increasingly becoming the art of combining sounds, and less the art of playing physical instruments?

i mean, there are "guitars" (or guitar-like sounds) in avril's music, and peaches' too. and they both tap into the iconography, attitude and cultural identity of "rock music" and the "rock and roller". isn't rock, like metal, an identity as much as it is a specific sound? if you cop the stance and sneer and history and style of rock -- and if, deep down, the flame burns bright in your heart -- then aren't you, really, "real rock"?

i mean, weren't suicide a rock band?

some dude more OTM. i know what rock is and ain't. but on the other hand, that only applies to me. in my book, peaches is rock, avril ain't. but i KNOW that lots of die-hard "rock fans" would disagree with me on that. and any serious line-drawing discussion about this stuff is ridic wasted effort.

some dude more OTM. i know what rock is and ain't. but on the other hand, that only applies to me. in my book, peaches is rock, avril ain't. but i KNOW that lots of die-hard "rock fans" would disagree with me on that. and any serious line-drawing discussion about this stuff is ridic wasted effort.

it formed babby

yeah i agree w/ you both; the line, if there even is one any more, is reapidly becoming more and more blurred, and it's really more of an impossible-to-qulaify tambre thing at this point. aka "i know rock music when i hear it"