Loop - RFD

bump for the morning crowd because I feel like there'd be more ilxors into this

I'll be really excited if they come to the east coast US

Ditto! Roadburn always streams the live sets a few months after the fact though, so that's something to look forward to.

http://thequietus.com/articles/13431-loop-intimate-live-dates

^ short UK tour! Awfuckenright!!

I think James Endeacott was manager for the Tindersticks for a while, think he was over with them when they played a Dublin gig in '98.
I knew him from gigs in London 10 years earlier, possibly a bit more than that.

I'm just going to put this here:

http://www.atpfestival.com/events/news/1309271404.php

Ever so mysterious.

not sure why they don't just do it under their actual name but if it's in the carpark-lookin' space on the venue's website that would be pretty gnar. I'll just see em in Bristol a fortnight after tho I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJNJQZjBwd0

So....did someone say new interviews with Robert Hampson and John Wills?

http://www.thedumbingofamerica.net/2013/06/23/history-lesson-loop/

First reunion show was tonight, apparently a blinder.

I was there, & it was indeed. It got away from them briefly towards the very end, but they quickly pulled it round by the time they got to "Mother Sky" (there was a very brief bass amp issue that might have thrown them a little). 2 sets, I'm struggling to think of what they didn't play that I'd want to hear, but even if I could think of something it'd be nit-picking. A triumph.

Very, very jealous.

Yeah that was awesome - although we left just after the bass amp thing so we missed Mother Sky and whatever else they played for the rest of the encore, unfortunately. But that was because of the venue, not the band (it was ridiculously hot in there and for some unknown reason there was a food stall in the hall cooking food all through the gig (possibly why it was so hot) so it was also pretty stinky and it was making my wife nauseous). Kinda glad I'm not going to any other ATP gigs there now after that tbh. That and the choices at the bar, wtf was that about.

engnnnghhh, the brighton show can't come soon enough

bring it on (motherfucker)

Setlist:

Soundhead
The Nail Will Burn
Fade Out
Breathe Into Me
Arc-Lite
Afterglow
Too Real to Feel
Fix to Fall
Collision
Fever Knife
Blood
Straight to Your Heart
Vapour
Pulse
Burning World
Deadly/Mother Sky

Looks good, had somebody yesterday worrying about what they were going to play.
Are there 2 different setlists or is that both sets?

Rob has just commented on how hot it was in there on his Facebook feed

Both sets. Didn't time it but they were scheduled to do some like 1 hour long set & another about 80mins, but think the last was shorter than that. Certainly they finished before 22:30 rather than the 23:00 stated on the poster near the entrance. Started a bit late & think the gap between was shorter than expected, & I was with a bunch of people, so I wasn't paying too close attention.

Yeah that's about right - they came on about 25 mins late but the gap between was much shorter than 30 mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Cage8ErCI

Too cool!

they could use some more hair, but then couldn't we all?

Yeah, what kind of Loop ain't skinny long haired near sociopathicaly non communicative?

Never thought I'd see Paul Weller fronting Loop.

Eleven songs all told here:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKGbZkGfmne-hpgXWMHK5_LU2W-MDLlUG

Meantime Robert's dropped a VERY heavy hint on FB that Austin Psych Fest is in the works for them next year. Makes total sense -- and also means not too far away from Coachella too. I'd say start heavily blocking time out in April and May next year.

It took them a couple of songs to get into their stride on Monday. Also seemed to be a few sound issues. The second set was, thankfully, a lot louder than the first. When they took off though, they flew. The version of Mother Sky that closed the set was astounding. I am glad they've gone grey, rather than bald, or fat.

It looks like Mark Stewart had a bit of a meltdown last night and started accusing Josh and the ATP people of being fake indie fascists or something along those lines. After the gig Josh got back to his hotel room to find that he's been sent several abusive Facebook messages by Stewart anyway.
Shame that, I have loved the Pop Group for years though I'm not 100% into what I've heard of the current group. But it looks like Stewart may have some mental health issues he needs to sort out at least on this basis. Josh has said that he will never listen to the Pop Group again and there will be no more versions of Thief Of Fire played by Loop. Think he overstepped the mark a bit by saying that nobody would have heard of Pop Group without a certain band covering them but maybe that is heat of the moment. I thought they were a legendary post-punk group that had a lot of recognition before taht anyway, I mean Minutemen echo bits of their songs on Double Nickels and cited them as an influence and I'm sure several others did too. I first heard of them through Birthday Party comparisons anyway.

So looks like there will be no Pop Group appearance this weekend. & I hope Mark Stewart is going to apologise and explain where this came from anyway.
I was looking forward to the apparently forthcoming Pop Group compilation set that I was told about earlier this year, won't be quite as much now. I guess the members of taht band today are 30+ years differentiated from the people who recorded the music so I can still isolate it enough to enjoy it?

all sounds a bit weird. who is josh?

Robert Hampson was always known by that name back at the time

of the first era of Loop that is

oh, that's not good

Ned posted about this on FB but it looks like most of the rants have been taken down from Mark Stewart's page this morning, as there's just a cryptic post about scabs there now with a bunch of people calling him a wanker.

From Robert's facebook:

To be absolutely crystal fucking clear.
I returned to my hotel room after a loop show tonight to find abusive messages and abusive posts by mark Stewart of the pop group here on Facebook.. I have absolutely no idea or involvement in what has made him behave in such a manner.
I called him out and asked him what his problem was, only to get called a cunt and that he would defame me til his dying day.

Again, I have NO IDEA why I get singled out considering that I considered him a friend for many years and a great supporter of his music for even more.

I love the pop group.

I fucking love the pop group.

It was an honour to look forward to sharing a stage with them.

But, you know what?

They can fuck off!

I'll never be able to listen to them ever again or mafia records without feeling fucking sick to my stomach. It's really bloody upset me.

I hope it will not spoil any ticket holders enjoyment of the loop curated day... And if we are all money grabbing fascists (all the bands that play) then why the fuck did he agree to play?

Words fail me. My heart fails me to think of this.

With that, I take my leave.

And no, Thief Of Fire will NEVER feature in a loop set ever agin. I haven't the heart or joy for it anymore.

Mark Stewart
7 hours ago via mobile
I will name these cunts time and time again
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Grady Johnson Nothing moves so fast as a lefty bourgeois kid who rediscovers his 'family values'. (This often occurs at the same time as they inherit their parents' riches.) They should be named and shamed. They are unscrupulous opportunists and hypocrites, and the enemies of ANY revolution.
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Mark Pavey You seem to angry about something Mark. What's happened?
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got to respect Grady Johnson for locating the hidden meaning in what many might have dismissed as incoherent gibberish

dgi, does M.Stewart think IWatkins is Loop's lead singer?

He posted this just now:

Had a serious meltdown, I'm very sorry dear Robert, Loop & ATP. Please excuse my rants, love Mark.

It's gonna take more than that I guess, which I assume is also going to happen.

So, everyone came out of this well, then?

I don't know. Not sure if josh is still going to be posting to Facebook or if he got talked out of that. Not sure if Pop Group are going to play this weekend , doubt it really.
Think Mark Stewart may be looked at somewhat oddly but I think that documentary taht came out a couple of years back was supposed to be pushing things in that direction anyway. I still haven't seen it though I've meant to.

Are the current Pop group employing elements like slap bass and other jazz-funk features? Got the feeling taht they were from what I'd heard of them. Not been sure about how I feel about their current form and haven't really heard much of it.

& Josh has a naff haircut so there's always that.

This whole Josh thing is bemusing to me. Is it his middle name or something?

Not sure where it came from, just know that it was a name that he used back then.

how did this whole situation end up?

Robt has sacked Facebook, and I wouldn't be surprised if he sacks the idea of ever organising anything for groups other than his own.

Apart from that 'oops me' message, nothing since from MStewart.

wot a palaver

I did wonder whether the principled Mr Stewart had found out about the ATP/Wilwal phoenixing fiasco and was taking a stance over it - from the tweets that have been preserved this now seems the most likely thing.

http://exileonmoanstreet.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/mark-stewart-vs-atp-and.html

So nothing to do with Loop at all really.

Presumably Pop Group didn't play did they?
I was just checking to see what had happened and saw that they were apparently remastering For How Much Longer Do We Tolerate Mass Murder from the masters at the beginning of last month. I'd heard there was a compilation thing coming out which I'm not sure of the details of. Are they planning a full catalogue reissue campaign or something? I think the compi had been intended to include some more live material on top of what had come out on the Japanese live compilation a few years ago.

But if Mark is going to behave like this again in future he may be burning bridges rapidly.
I just looked on his Facebook feed and there was somebody with a french name on there shit stirring and trying to get him to avoid apologising which I would think was well dodgy.

Anyway, hope that the rest of the gigs are good and that I get a chance to see them before they resplit.

Not sure whether the ATP/Willwal thing can fairly be described as a fiasco or why M Stewart would be getting worked up about it. Hogan dissolved one company and started up another. Happens all the time in business. Yes ATP still has creditors but Hogan expects to pay all of them eventually.