Britpop re-assesed?

in 96 even afghan whigs, screaming trees, soundgarden,pearl jam , smashing pumpkins were doing well here. So all in all music was still pretty great for me in that period if not britpop itself (tho i did like a few of the bands obviously) it was the late 90s that was pretty dire and I was pretty much only buying older music(funk,jazz classic 80s indie/hardcore/punk/60s/70s canon and lesser known) or albums by bands i already liked or trying to get more leftfield stuff. Was pretty much done with dance music too. Tho once I got the internet I discovered all the IDM/post-rock/math rock/alt-country/black metal type stuff i missed out on and rediscovered a love for doom metal and metal in general and got into even weirder stuff. I felt people in 94-96 were a lot more diverse in tastes than 98- 2000.

Yeah, Soundgarden and Smashing Pumpkins were definitely still both doing very well here in '96... I remember pretty much all the singles released from Down On The Upside got regular airings on the music channels here, and Smashing Pumpkins were at the very peak of their popularity here too ('Tonight Tonight' was a Top 10 hit single here, I think?). R.E.M. weren't doing too badly either, to say that Monster got a bad reception - New Adventures In Hi-Fi went to #1 on the album chart.

I totally agree with you that the late '90s weren't so hot, though. 1998 and 1999 especially didn't feel all that great to me. Some of the Britpop lot were putting out more interesting records by that point (This Is Hardcore, Six, 13), but there didn't seem to be decent NEW bands around. I don't think it truly started to pick up again until maybe 2001/2002... it definitely had by 2003.

Spiritualized ,Mercury Rev, Qotsa were making the better music at the end of the decade but like you said, qotsa apart, new bands werent doing so great (and of course some older fans hated Spz and Mercury Revs output at this time because it was selling!)

didnt muse and coldplay start around 99/2000? thats when it got really bad

Until landfill came along making that seem like good times

I'm just trying to think of what the more anticipated/acclaimed releases were at the turn of the century... there was At The Drive-In and Kid A (which was coolly received by some initially)... and a lot of nu-metal. That's what I remember the most about the fucking late '90s: nu-metal.

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Yup, Muse and Coldplay made their debuts around that time too. It was the whole Radiohead thing... OK Computer had sold a fucking shitload and had had bucketloads of critical acclaim, so the 'old' Radiohead sound was seen as the "next thing". So what we ended up with was Muse, Coldplay and Travis... then, of course, Radiohead took a different path with Kid A, leaving Muse and Coldplay to steal the fans of 'old' Radiohead that weren't thrilled with their new direction.

Cant have the US-ilxors missing out
Nu-Metal re-assesed?

I remember really bad rock bandwagon jumpers Headswim abandoning grunge then britrock for an ok computer goes rock sound.

To be honest I don't really get the Pulp thing - for a lot of people saying they transcended or were at least the good part of the mid 90s thing, I think they're completely synonymous with Britpop, to the extent that Oasis and Blur were able to be successful either before or after that particular bubble - but surely the point of Pulp was that they were supposed to as well, lording it above the likes of Menswear, Northern Uproar, and god knows who else. But no, once the Britpop thing dried up so did Pulp, at least commercially. I've never really got this. I think they're incredibly dated for the reasons stated.

I never got Pulp until I heard and really liked Jarvis Cocker's first solo album. I still can't say I love 'em, though.

Britpop destroyed whatever was interesting about the Manics IMO...they weren't 'of' it but the climate didn't really help them (artistically etc etc)

If in doubt - turn the guitars down and fill it up with strings

Has there been an ATP style Britpop festival yet? Bound to be money in that, sadly.

A Britpop stage at T In The Park with Ocean Colour Scene headlining would go down a storm
*sighs at scotland*

This forum introduced me to the horror that is Reef. My last trip to the UK, I heard "PLACE YER HANDS ON MY 'OLE" in almost every bar/club I went to. I have no idea how I avoided that monstrosity for so long. I'm sad I didn't keep avoiding it.

Britpop destroyed whatever was interesting about the Manics IMO...they weren't 'of' it but the climate didn't really help them (artistically etc etc)

― Master of Treacle, Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:00 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wouldn't say Britpop destroyed what was interesting about the Manics, I'd say there was enough that was interesting about them to enable them to stand out somewhat in 1996 circa Everything Must Go. Oasis and the rest of the Britpop lot weren't really tackling subjects such as Kevin Carter, Willem De Kooning etc. Plus, the fact that Everything Must Go was a big seller helped people get exposed to their earlier work.

What ruined the Manics artistically (although not commercially), but only for a short while, was success. Suddenly they became this commercial proposition and the feeling was that they were trying to sustain that a little bit with This Is My Truth, Tell Me Yours, which I found quite bland and disappointing when it came out. I think they were flailing about searching for a direction circa Know Your Enemy and Lifeblood, but I personally think they got back to what they did best with Send Away The Tigers and Journal For Plague Lovers. Of course, it wasn't the same, but so many years had elapsed by that point it would have been stupid to think they could have made Generation Terrorists or The Holy Bible again.

A Britpop stage at T In The Park with Ocean Colour Scene headlining would go down a storm
*sighs at scotland*

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, July 1, 2013 3:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

With Travis as support? :P

As posted on Post pics of the best/worst Battle Jackets and ILM will mark them out of 10

http://www.caughtinthecrossfire.com/uploads/2013/09/URBANOUTFIITERS_LEATHERJACKET_PUNK.jpg

i had a weird dream recently with no significant or memorable imagery, but it was sort of soundtracked by the opening bars of Reef's 'Put Your Hands Up', except played on a tuba instead of guitar.

i struggled to derive any meaning from the dream

First time as tragedy, second time as fizzy drinks.

http://www.nme.com/news/blur--2/74863

I thought this would be about Embrace reforming

If we ignore him, he might go away (Alex not Ned, that would be harsh).

Oh, Alex. You're richer than fucking god. You don't need the money; you are literally just doing this to be an utter irredeemable tit.

You only exist, just to punish me for youthful crushes, don't you? Like the embarrassing high school boyfriend that will never quite go away.

Please go away, Alex. Just go away. I have no more attention for you.

Poll: Alex's fizzy drink vs Dave's music and 'tales from his career' radio show vs Damon's solo album.

(winner will probably be Graham)

The store I work in sells *my little pony* pop so I for one welcome Britpop - especially since pop is the true word for fizzy sweet drinks. We never got any of his cheeses over here so I won't hold my breath for any Britpop though :(

Nah, it's some drunkened "Enough I just had an idea!" idea.

this juxtaposition amused me greatly

http://i.imgur.com/HyozHtb.jpg

They should call it "Josef K" then.

You know what we don't hear enough of on BBC Radio? Britpop, that's what.

http://www.clashmusic.com/news/bbc-to-toast-20-years-of-britpop

and so it begins

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/apr/03/britpop-kurt-cobain-20-years-nirvana

oh, and menswe@r have reformed ..

The further you get away from any musical movement, the more the women involved will have been erased from that movement. It's really depressing.

BB : good point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM--uprhvBg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quVaSixLy8U

As this thread has reared its head again, perhaps it's time to post the Britpop Nuggets compilations I put together last year.

https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/09/20/britpop-nuggets-part-one-some-people-are-born-to-dance/
https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/09/28/britpop-nuggets-part-two-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-tolerate-northern-uproar/
https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/10/22/britpop-nuggets-part-three-long-live-the-uk-music-scene/

All I can say is fucking hell at this.
Not a single female artist on this list and I think 2 black people at most

http://charts.radiox.co.uk/2018/

Okay then, what female and black artists would you have personally chosen to include in a list that is predominantly a particular strand of '90s guitar music?

Catatonia? Sleeper? Bloc Party?

6 songs from this decade in the list; 3 of those are by Catfish And The Bottlemen.

women can't play guitars and minorities don't want to, obv

also I would have personally chosen to have anyone who contributed to this list given a full aurectomy

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41RQ61M68EL.jpg

i would imagine that the target audience for Radio X's "Best of British" list will be outraged by this lack of diversity

too many fookin pansy songs

Well yeah, it's a shit list and listening to solely this kind of stuff these days is, like, I dunno, having a "bread only" diet or something. However, it's clear that the audience of this particular station are into a specific type of music, and the simple fact of the matter is that there weren't all that many women or minorities making that sort of stuff.

Yes, the omission of at least Elastica is glaring, but hardly anyone gives a shit about Catatonia, Sleeper, Echobelly, Salad, Powder etc. in 2018.

How many other niche stations would describe their thin slice of songs being polled as "The Best British Songs Of All Time" (their capitals)?

maybe the sort of pompous niche station that would use "for the music fans" as a tagline

The sort of pompous niche station that is under the impression that '90s indie = all British music.

I still give a shit about Salad!

https://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/salad-undressed

15 oasis songs on a best 100 of british music

there's not even 15 good oasis songs tbh (and i like oasis)

An across-all-decades, across-all-genres Top 100 of tracks by bands from the UK would be far more interesting and diverse, but that's not what this list is. It's basically a list for a specific type of music fan that hasn't moved on from the mid to late '90s.