Kanye West, Yeezus, 6/18/13 (TBC because who knows anymore)

That's terrific, ship. Thanks.

yeah really good piece

this in particular is excellent: Complaining that Kanye is self-obsessed is like wailing that Sir Mix-A-Lot likes big butts — that’s the schtick — but when that self-obsession thwarts or travesties the language of protest it’s a problem, not an achievement.

It's definitely not an achievement but I don't really see how it can unequivocally be called a problem.

he's an egotistical misogynist who's remarkably open about the totally valid contradictory emotions and stances he has towards the racist society and culture he was born into. the question is whether the latter is enough to make you accept the former, and then there's still the question of "do I wanna listen to his musical product over which he wrestles with this shit?" For the most part I'm in the "do your thing, hopefully having a daughter will make you think twice about what you say about women (like having a mom listening to your albums did), but I think this was all fresher several albums ago" dept.

this doesn't really sound like several albums ago at all, not just sonically but thematically

i agree with everything that piece says pretty much, but on the other hand, i try to compare this to recent albums ive heard of any genre and there's so much more there

maybe i'm just interested in it as intellectual exercise idk but i like thinking about this album. he's done a good job of, at the very least, creating a piece of art that looks different depending on which angle you look at it.

Everyone who complains about Blood on the Leaves, including that piece, misses the absurdism of it. He says alimony is like lynching, because he was supposed to use that money on cocaine. 'Now your driver say that new Benz you can't afford that / All that cocaine on the table you can't snort that / That going to that owing money that the court got'

i don't really know how the absurdism is supposed to make me feel tho

Upset. Like he is a paranoid idiot. That would be my guess. The hook is about taking molly for the first time. I think it quite clearly is about personal paranoia, there is really nothing in the lyrics about society. The sample is offensive, then, but you can't deny that it works to create a mood.

i'm pretty sure no one missed the absurdism of a song about alimony being laid over the top of a sample of the most famous song ever about lynching

i think i spent all my generous readings of kanye west music on 808s tbh

I pretty much agree that there are many points here were he crosses the line from "entertaining navel-gazing" to "horribly unforgivable, actively offensive navel-gazing" but at the very least the first four songs are so appealing to me sonically that I feel like figuring out how to make piece with the lyrics

lol "peace" RIP spelling

i think i spent all my generous readings of kanye west music on 808s tbh

― call all destroyer, Friday, June 21, 2013 10:37 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eh yeah i never liked that one so

i'm pretty sure no one missed the absurdism of a song about alimony being laid over the top of a sample of the most famous song ever about lynching

― J0rdan S., Friday, June 21, 2013 10:36 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this is the hard line for me. otoh i think it's different that he thinks he can pull it off b/c he's clearly targeting the guy mad at alimony...i don't think that character is supposed to come off well

by 'it's different' i mean, i don't think he's literally comparing the struggle of having to pay alimony with lynching 1:1 like that

but he still doesn't pull off the use of the sample

I pretty much agree with that, D-40. But I've seen quite a few pieces taking it down for being a bad protest song, which is not really what it tries to do.

http://www.spin.com/articles/yeezus-female-roundtable-kanye-west-sheezus-talks-a-critical-roundtable/

I look forward to reading that but: Sheezus Talks

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/3909447/kanye-head-shake-o.gif

these broads just don't get it.

For me, the album is sonically incredible: Producers Hudson Mohawke, Daft Punk, Arca, and Gesaffelstein went jamón, and West should be praised for his openness to bass-centric sounds that most people outside of the dance-music underground haven't really been exposed to. (Please, for the love of god's son, stop calling it "EDM.") These guys flipped some of the trillest Blade Runner dancehall and creepy, peeled-apart minimalism. Lyrically, I'm embarrassed by about 35 percent of it, though – not "I'm in It," so much as phoned-in lines like, "Mi casa es su casa / That's that cosa nostra" that are just like, dude, gimme a little more to work with here.

why would you... i mean... ??????

is it just older critics who act like throwing electronic/dance elements into your rap/hip-hop is some novel thing? they've heard of electro right? miami bass? uh i won't go on. not that some stuff on kanye's album doesn't sound new and shiny. some of it does.

i guess if women weren't so quick to write off casual misogyny, dudes like ye would never get any pussy.

with deej and djp in that the first five songs offer enough simple listening pleasure to temper (though not overwhelm) my distaste for kanye's lyrical pov/persona. but that 33rpm article otm straight through. besides, i can't imagine i'll be half as happy to hear these tracks in a year or two as i am now when something off power triangle or the book of david pops up on random.

I bet the "Blood on the Leaves" loop was built, lyrics happened an hour before the flight to Milan.

ANIKA PATRICK: Hahaha, we in this, ladies. I'll keep it one thousand thousand with you, when I heard Ye-Ye was dropping another riddim rekkid and I heard he was working with Le Corbusier and Daft Punk, I got a little touch of (808s and) heartbreak. See, I'm still bumping the genius of Yeezus's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, that provocative slurry of postbreakup Ben & Jerry's, Bon Iver fedora poetry and Thought Catalog-inspired self-harm realness. But Yeezus lives up to the name-- In the beginning was the ill raps and the ill raps was with Yeezus, and the ill raps was Yeezus #canigetaamen.

Once again, Ye goes in on the prison-industrial complex just like he did when he was dropping gems on the beauty myth in "All Falls Down." I can forgive a little creative accounting with the Civil Rights stuff-- even #1 soul brother MLK had a problem with the hood rats #believedat. If they can do Julian Assange dirty, I'm willing to cut Yeezy some slack. I'll admit, some of the misogyny is a little off putting but context is everything. This might not be a post-racial world but we're getting there. What I'm trying to say is, if he's eating his Asian girlfriend's pussy with sweet and sour sauce in 2013, I've got a great little Szechwan place in Flushing I need him to try. Ye, step your condiment game up.

The music ranges from agit-prop rave-ups a la Killing Joke and 3 a.m. pista dé bailé sweatdowns that call to mind early Diplo and behind it all with a bit of the confessional worldweariness of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

there it is

whatever that style of writing is called i really hate it

pretty horrible.

this album is interesting on first listen but i dunno if i never need to hear it again.
the lyrics are consistently at odd with the production and the BOLD CHOICES generally seem doofus-y.
it's like a more fully realized kid cudi album and who asked for that?
and god, i just got to strange fruit, what a poor poor decision

but then i hated 808 and fantasy deeply so i was hardly expecting this to break his streak

Guilt Trip seems pretty good

When I listen to this album, particularly "I Am A God" I think of:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6SyBwLG6fLw/UL6bUDwgumI/AAAAAAAABho/sAuD5Kr3V2U/s1600/hurt.jpg

lmao dylannn going full-on "peep game on gas prices" just like old times

even #1 soul brother MLK had a problem with the hood rats #believedat.

ugh stop it

ok this is the sad part where people can't be bothered to figure out if something is parody or an actual cut-and-paste

this is the internet I don't have time for that shit

Nice photo in that Spin piece:
http://www.spin.com/sites/all/files/styles/style620_413/public/130621-kanye-snl_0.jpg

That is a fantastic parody. I had to google it to be sure.

ts: heatrock vs. gas prices?

I've got a great little Szechwan place in Flushing I need him to try. Ye, step your condiment game up.

^^^^ classic

did this make the rounds?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BbHi-2Wl3o

he's not wrong about a lot of that stuff

"White Girls Are Poppin' Right Now!" vs. "If Lil Wayne Died He'd be the G.O.A.T."

charlamagne = legend tho btw

Realized today that, gender aside, Kanye's verse in "N's in Paris" and the last verse of "New Slaves" remind me of this.

If they can do Julian Assange dirty, I'm willing to cut Yeezy some slack.

amazing

At the age of 10, Kanye moved with his mother to Nanjing, China, where his mother was teaching at Nanjing University as part of an exchange program. According to his mother, Kanye was the only foreigner in his class, but settled in well and quickly picked up the language, although he has since forgotten most of it.

this is "this is the thread for unusual details in wikipedia articles" material to me. i never read kanye's mom's book.

only foreigner in class, all I need is sweet and sour sauce