Revolt of the ILX Brigade: New Post-Fahey Folk For PPL that post in the Takoma & Tompkin's Square Threads

i described it as a “Dark Star”/”Little Johnny Jewel”/”Calvary Cross” kinda thing. which i know is high praise, but i don't know, it's pretty fucking good.

Yeah, this all sounds promising for sure! Will check it out. Thanks!

Yeah Tyler, that is pretty spot on sound-wise for sure. Only made it halfway through the second show yesterday, excited to listen to the rest today! Hope this band tours somewhere I can see them once they hit the road.

i think he is doing a solo tour w/ bachman later this year, but not sure about a full band tour -- i guess the players are all busy w/ various other things?

Yeah, saw something about that Bachman tour at some point. I saw Forsyth with Koen Holtkamp last year, which was cool, but would definitely be most excited to see the full-band at this point. I really like his playing though, I would go to that solo show for sure.

Hadn't gone to Pitchfork in a long time other than when pointed there for a particular review, but for some reason cruised the page today and was excited to see a new "the Out Door" devoted exclusively to Loren Connors:

http://pitchfork.com/features/the-out-door/9150-the-legacy-of-loren-connors/

Haven't read it yet but hope to dig in later today.

^^^ just read this, it's definitely a worthwhile read. I really love how much attention Loren's been getting the last few years. He's playing a lot more, records are getting reissued. Was thinking while reading the piece that I've been listening to his music with great interest for 12+ years now, and there are not many artists who fall into that category for me. Music I loved when I was 16 that I still love now.

cool, looking forward to reading that. connors is someone i feel like i've barely scratched the surface on. though i have plenty of his albums...

my 1st exposure to him was that Unaccompanied Acoustic Guitar Improvisations when i was a college radio dj in the late 90s and it was uhhhh, not the best way to be introduced. i was not ready!

There's a small chance I am moving back to NYC this year, and if I do I am going to try to catch Loren play whenever I can. Never seen him in person.

I definitely was not ready for Loren the first time I heard him. Took me a few years, but my listening habits have been gravitating towards this kinda thing more and more, as this thread attests to I guess.

i ran across a guy name Victor Hererro (he had a track on a Bo Weavil Records comp that featured Robbie Basho -- i had been searching Basho on Spotify cuz of ogomor's posts)...anyway...he's not American Primitive...sort of spanish guitar....some melding of folk and classical styles....(in all honestly i'm not as versed on this kind of stuff)...anyway i think this album is fantastic:

http://www.boweavilrecordings.com/victorherrero.html

Hah, that is Josephine Foster's husband.

not familiar w/her

Oh man, she is great in her own right, but not for everyone I guess. I really like the Born Heller album (name of the band and album I believe), which is her and Jason Ajemian, but her other stuff is cool as well. I think her last album is called Blood Rushing and maybe has Victor playing on it.

OH MAN
they are both insanely talented
i'm going to see them tomorrow!

hmmm

there is a lot about this i like

but her vocal mannerisms

take some getting used to

to say the least

She sings in a lot of different ways -- depends on what you're in the mood for. She's really versatile IMO!

http://soundcloud.com/northern-routes/josephine-foster-and-pg-six

^^ josephine foster and our roommate's band covering white rabbit

Whoa! How cool. The song suits her too!!

U.M.S., that Born Heller record is pretty arch, and as La Lechera states she goes in a lot of directions, so some of her stuff may work better for you than others. I dig the arch stuff as well as the looser, more psych stuff she has done, but that Born Heller album is pretty special to me, but I am biased cause Jason Ajemian is a buddy. La Lechera is better disposed to run down her records though.

Maybe a little different take on what she gets up to, like this one a lot from Blood Rushing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu2_0UrpQ8Y

Like anyone with a wide and weird catalogue, it kind of depends on what you're looking for. Do you want something calm and melodious or urgent and keening? Ppl who post itt might enjoy Graphic as a Star, the album she did putting Emily Dickinson poems to music? It's pretty normal if you like her Sleeping Beauty voice + acoustic guitar. I don't want to go on and on. If you like Victor Herrero's playing, Perlas is the way to go but if you don't like her voice or Spanish folk music, you may hate it!

i'm also pretty unfamiliar with josephine foster (tho i know the name), but I'm going to check it out. I am kind of interested in hearing some more international kinda solo guitar things. i have a couple great carlos paredes LPs, need to dig deeper into bola sete. any other recs for non US/UK guitar soli people/records?

also, while i'm here, just going to reiterate how good marisa anderson's new one is! had it on repeat all this week: http://marisaanderson.bandcamp.com/album/mercury

need to hear the new marisa anderson..

i'm interested in hearing more latin american/caribbean/hawaiian/european guitar stuff as well.
i like bossa nova, but that's really more its own thing imo. some of the guitar work is marvelous but it has more in common with jazz guitar, and most of it has a rhythm section.. jazz guitar is cool though. eddie lang! pioneer of the jazz guitar!

there's joseph spence of course, who's a great player, but also sings.

does anyone but me like stuff like this? early hawaiian guitar? i tend to prefer the instrumental 'blues' pieces but there are some killer vocal numbers too; the playing is just great by a bunch of these guys -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fBw5ibH3UQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6t6Q6fphhI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0rUxL5Q3ts

Gonna dig into that Marisa Anderson now. Can't think of many good international recs, other than Dust To Digital just put out a collection of Greek music, and I really like this guy A. Kostis that is on it. He was also on one of the Secret Museum of Mankind collections. This is Ian 78 territory though, i.e., old stuff. There's vocals to, but I love the momentum of the guitar (or rebetika maybe) on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LHJ_XFRDcA

Hawaiian guitar is one of those things that sounds great in almost any context. It's the kind of thing I could listen to at home all day, need to collect more of that shit. Especially instrumental collections. Any good recommendations there would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.amazon.com/Master-Hawaiian-Steel-Guitar-Hoopii/dp/B0000002QI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371828650&sr=8-1&keywords=sol+hoopii

^ prob the 'best'' of the soli hoopii cds on amazon is not a bad place to start if anyone is into this stuff. or this various arteests comp:
http://www.amazon.com/1927-38-Hawaiian-Steel-Guitar-Classics/dp/B0000023TW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371828865&sr=8-1&keywords=hawaiian+guitar+arhoolie

that Kostis track is mesmerizing; thanks!

cool, thanks for the recs! checkin em out
someone suggested this comp as a way in w/ greek music: http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Soundeyet/On_A_Steady_Diet_of_Hash_Bread__Salt

Yeah, there is something about that Kostis track that is deeply heavy (and mesmerizing). Thanks for the Hawaiian rec too, will look into if for sure.

Marisa Anderson sounding great so far, really nice range and tone. Hadn't heard her before, but fits in well with my solo electric fixation these days.

yeah, love the light tremelo she's using on a lot of the tracks. kind of pleasingly miniaturist too -- most of the tunes are under 2 minutes, I think.

Yeah, she is just a great player. Definitely cool that it switches up every few minutes.

Also, I though rebetika referred to the Greek mandolin/lute that is played on a lot of traditional music, not just the type of music from the Rebetika movement etc., but I may be wrong. That comp looks interesting though, think Rick Bishop is a Rebetika fan as well. Too much music not enough time.

you're thinking of the bouzouki! (the instrument)

Yeah, totally. Getting my Greek words confused. Long week.

i'm reading Hotel California, Barney Hoskyn's book about the L.A./Asylum Records/Laurel Canyon scene (Eagles, Taylor, CSN, Joni, etc etc)....anyway obv a lot of the players came up in these early/mid 60s folk revival clubs in L.A., and Fahey gets mentioned a couple times as being around that scene with Linda Rondstadt and Ry Cooder and stuff

anyway, apparently, Fahey was instrumental in the formation of Canned Heat! He introduced Bob Hite and Al Wilson for the first time, as he was friends w/both of them. kooky.

yeah! him and al wilson were the guys who "rediscovered" skip james in 64 or thereabouts. i think i read that fahey was the one who suggested the name canned heat?
this is worth it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX908Qi-7DE

the old folk scene stuff is so weird because these people that you would never associate together, like super huge rock star heart throb Linda Rondstadt and weirdo troubled avant folk underground legend John Fahey were all like hanging out at the same places etc....or like Karen Dalton and Cheech Marin being roommates

haha i thought you were joking abt that last one!

no! it's like the craziest fact ever!

http://www.amoeba.com/whats-in-my-bag/detail/cheech-marin/

wooooah. i never knew that, holy crap.

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finally listening to the new steve gunn which comes pretty close to my longheld fantasy of "what if there was a takoma fairport convention?"

haha, yeah, pretty close.
eesh that nagoski thumb drive is pretty tempting, might pull the trigger...

pssshh you guys, guess i'll have to take ums' ad hom swipe as the price for trying to generate some partisan zeal. i know it can seem churlish to shit on ppl who are part of a small scene you love, but internal critique of a scene on a thread like this is just as important as championing it on the macro level, at which we'll all rep for this stuff, bring ppl along to see daniel bachman &c.

it's not for everyone but i love the mythology/bullshit musicians generate for themselves (& writers too) & the takoma ppl were grandmasters at it. i remember someone on ilx finding jack rose's "dr ragtime" shtick really embarrassing cod-fahey, but i thought it's self-conscious sloppyness was in keeping & charming, esp as fahey loved to be cod-all sorts of ppl. it's not surprising to me that the way ppl approach their own mythos & presentation is analagous to how they approach their playing.

so, yeah, daniel bachman seemed very amiable, his hollow-necked guitar was cool, & did quite like that collab grandavis mentioned w/ that percussionist mccolm, but i wasn't really into his set. he didn't really have much space in his playing, it was indistinct, and the pieces blurred into each other. he was fast&loud w/out having momentum or power, and sounded a bit like like jack rose w/all the indian influence taken out, less melodic lines on top, less structure, just rote blues moves. but yeah, he's young & plays well, there's no reason he won't get much better as a 'composer' (or w/e you want to call it) too.

i don't see why this should be a narrow style, but i do think that in copying your heroes you have to be careful or you will lose a lot of what made their playing so rich in the first place. if you invoke the same few things - in playing or in yr album cover - it becomes tired & meaningless, & yr on yr way to whisky advert territory. it's not less real, it's just less fun. so yeah, i am not declaring a fatwa on ppl w/ porches or checked shirts. i want a porch.

saw that dbh again, he was really good, again. i know most of you would really enjoy it - http://open.spotify.com/album/4Oq8HJhXnjJucSwEGEyQMZ

and yes, ian, i have been loving a lot of hawaiian stuff lately. sometimes w/ the quality of the recording i can hardly tell if it's acoustic or electric.

one of those songs that feels like it's being played forever somewhere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xqKWMwIdFo

as for other non US/UK guitar i have been enjoying lately, this album by jose serrano & alberto el agujetas, two gitano inmates in spanish prisons. there was some sort of state organised flamenco competition &, basically, these guys recorded such a good record they got their sentences commuted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnjqlDQoPLM

i love their singing but i've also been listening to instrumental flamenco by nino ricardo. glorious stuff.

also been dipping into the enormous baden powell back catalogue recently, that guy is amazing.

Ogmor that swipe was in poor taste & I apologize

I do like your contributions to the thread esp the recommendations

both victor herrero and josephine foster were great on friday night btw
i had never seen him before -- totally going to listen to more of his stuff now that i know that i like it
he writes a lot about nature, lyrics and singing were top notch in addition to interesting, very rhythmic playing
recommended!

xp it's alright mate, but that's sweet.

re: album covers & presentation, i need this baden powell album:

http://pixhost.me/avaxhome/db/5d/00185ddb.jpeg

i've been throwing together various tracks from all over the place in this playlist if anyone's curious - volk guitar

nice, thanks! and yeah, dissenting opinions welcome, seriously! i keep thinking whenever i play one of these recent solo guitar things that I'm going to be bored or something, but it hasn't been happening. this kind of music just seems to be exactly what i want to hear these days.
anyhoo, listening to this this morning: http://folkadelphia.bandcamp.com/album/william-tyler-folkadelphia-session-4-14-2013

this is a new song i wrote, feel like it needs one more part but i'm pretty psyched about it

ogmor - listen and gain a new appreciation for william tyler and bachman!!!

https://soundcloud.com/matthew-lee-helgeson/the-low-coast