Revolt of the ILX Brigade: New Post-Fahey Folk For PPL that post in the Takoma & Tompkin's Square Threads

was listening to this radio interview w/ basho again today & swooning as he talks about his "japanese period", his "amerindian period, his "veyr long hindu period" & his new "persian period". not sure if this has been posted before actually, but w/e, it's fabulous. shame about the piano playing. http://archive.org/details/OTG_1974_11_06

When I saw Tyler he told anecdotes about listening to the Bellamy Brothers in his ipod and fast food restaurants, he's hardly portraying himself as a mountain man

Yeah, WT is a pretty openly cosmopolitan dude. And I've never seen him with facial hair of any kind.

Ditto most of these guys. I wonder, ogmor, who you're classifying as a pretend mountain man? Because, in my experience, some of these guitar dudes can be pretty hermetic (Scott Tuma comes to mind), but not in the way you're describing. I'm mostly just curious, because I think the context you're describing is mostly an illusion on the part of the listener. A lot of the guys we're talking about in this thread are ex-punks, indie refugees, and citified record nerds, many of whom probably couldn't bait a fishhook. Is this, perhaps, a case of the 'European gaze?'

xp that was re: collective cognitive failing viz all this stuff rather than self-presentation. otoh, his track names - missionary ridge, green pastures, signal mountain, cadillac desert - bespeak a p boring approach to musical psychogeography. mb if he names a song after kfc ppl will stop pinning their sentimental dreck narratives on him & or mention fahey in interviews.

edd hurt makes a mountain man out of daniel bachman in this piece > http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/archives/2012/11/26/daniel-bachman-the-cream-interview - bachman might be a 21st century guy, leading a fast-paced life, but he's in touch w/ the past, & definitely part of the venerable unique takoma tradition of playing music that makes people feel emotions of some kind. in hurt's defence though, bachman is literally standing on a porch on his album cover, making the narrative difficult to resist.

i am going to see bachman tmw so i can personally assess these claims & mb listen to his playing.

You must be fun to party with

lol, yeah, i'd relax a little bit about the *presentation* of this stuff. no one's going nuts claiming that this stuff is *MORE AUTHENTIC AND REAL* than anything else. there's no Takoma-ist movement happening. we're talking about, what two dozen people, three dozen playing this music seriously? c'mon, writers (including me) are just bullshitting, just trying to come up with a way to say, hey, i like how this sounds.

I don't even really expect a lot of people working on this space to necessarily innovate or scale the heights of fahey or bashing or w/e but I think that in this type of music each player has a certain personality or personal quirks to how they play and I enjoy hearing how different people approach things differently within a fairly narrow genre

Yeah, I think there is a lot of projection on the parts of writers and listeners surrounding this stuff, and necessarily so in a lot of respects. There are only so many ways to frame a single person and (mostly) a single guitar. In the case of a guy like Bachman, he really is from Virginia and sits on porches and plays shows on porches and is just playing all the time, whether there or on the road, so I don't think it is a stretch or contrived that this stuff gets included in the surrounding press and imagery, but I for one didn't think that that Edd Hurt piece suggested ""Mountain Man" at all, but hell, I live in Virginia so what do I know.

Ogmor, as far as Bachman's playing goes, the tape with Ian McColm on Feeding Tube is NOT typical finger-picking at all. It is very much an improv record (McColm plays mostly drums/percussion on it) and Bachman does a lot of droning/textural/more "out" stuff that is quite different from the solo stuff he has become known for. You may not see much of this at the show, but he does have more interests/range than his more well-known records would suggest (though you may find it just as un-moving as some of his other stuff, who knows?).

i doubt bachman could even grow a beard tbh

i'm from minnesota and i sat on my porch last night! i didn't play guitar tho i just drank a beer

Hah yeah, Bachman is so young man. I tried enjoying my porch while I could, but mosquito season is here and it's pretty brutal.

Wanna add that I got to see Ian McColm play solo when he toured with D. Bachman, and he was really good too. He is even younger than Bachman, but he did a great solo-percussion/drone set (he had mics on some of the drums and did some extended technique and tuned metal stuff that got amplified and pretty cool ways), I recommend seeing him. Really nice but serious about playing, he might do some pretty great shit down the line. I guess he does do improv electric guitar stuff (droney and pretty), but his drumming/percussion stuff interests me a lot more.

thought edd's bachman interview was great, did not see any real problem with it. then again, i don't think there's anything horribly wrong w/ bringing fahey into the conversation w/ this stuff, as long as it's not totally overdone/stated. it's not like someone comparing everything remotely rock n roll to elvis or something. it's a niche, maybe w/ a lot of room for various styles/approaches, but a niche nonetheless.

anyhoo, this stuff probably belongs more on the psych thread, but since he's been mentioned (And since he's on one of the imaginational comps), the recordings from chris forsyth's recent gigs have been amaaaaaaazing. http://snd.sc/13SUmkW

Yeah, was going to mention that Chris Forsyth action, I love it. It definitely veers away from this stuff in ways some of his recent records haven't (i.e., full band rock and roll). Feel like campaigning for it with all of my old Deadhead friends, as it's far more agreeable (and great) than most of the lame jam-band shit that a lot of them still listen to. Some really nice guitar playing for sure, and within a context that I can totally appreciate.

Hmmm...how is it Dead-like? You have now piqued my curiosity, sir. Also, whenever I hear Chris Forsyth's name I always confuse him with the dude from Come, for some reason. Doesn't that dude also do solo guitar stuff now? I can't keep up anymore.

there are some kinda dark star-ish cosmic jam sections. i guess chris brokaw does solo stuff? i can't remember.

Aww. don't take that too literally, just at times the two-guitar approach comes close to the Dead feel-wise for me, though in a pretty different context. There is no singing, so keep that in mind. Really you'd have to listen to the live set that is posted to see if you hear it, but I get there with them at times for sure. They haven't been playing together nearly long enough to deserve this unfair comparison though, so I don't wanna compare them for real. I just think that folks I know who like some pretty goofy jam shit might hear this and think it is great, but it veers closer to Television territory soloing-wise than typical jam band Allmans/Santana/Garcia worship.

i described it as a “Dark Star”/”Little Johnny Jewel”/”Calvary Cross” kinda thing. which i know is high praise, but i don't know, it's pretty fucking good.

Yeah, this all sounds promising for sure! Will check it out. Thanks!

Yeah Tyler, that is pretty spot on sound-wise for sure. Only made it halfway through the second show yesterday, excited to listen to the rest today! Hope this band tours somewhere I can see them once they hit the road.

i think he is doing a solo tour w/ bachman later this year, but not sure about a full band tour -- i guess the players are all busy w/ various other things?

Yeah, saw something about that Bachman tour at some point. I saw Forsyth with Koen Holtkamp last year, which was cool, but would definitely be most excited to see the full-band at this point. I really like his playing though, I would go to that solo show for sure.

Hadn't gone to Pitchfork in a long time other than when pointed there for a particular review, but for some reason cruised the page today and was excited to see a new "the Out Door" devoted exclusively to Loren Connors:

http://pitchfork.com/features/the-out-door/9150-the-legacy-of-loren-connors/

Haven't read it yet but hope to dig in later today.

^^^ just read this, it's definitely a worthwhile read. I really love how much attention Loren's been getting the last few years. He's playing a lot more, records are getting reissued. Was thinking while reading the piece that I've been listening to his music with great interest for 12+ years now, and there are not many artists who fall into that category for me. Music I loved when I was 16 that I still love now.

cool, looking forward to reading that. connors is someone i feel like i've barely scratched the surface on. though i have plenty of his albums...

my 1st exposure to him was that Unaccompanied Acoustic Guitar Improvisations when i was a college radio dj in the late 90s and it was uhhhh, not the best way to be introduced. i was not ready!

There's a small chance I am moving back to NYC this year, and if I do I am going to try to catch Loren play whenever I can. Never seen him in person.

I definitely was not ready for Loren the first time I heard him. Took me a few years, but my listening habits have been gravitating towards this kinda thing more and more, as this thread attests to I guess.

i ran across a guy name Victor Hererro (he had a track on a Bo Weavil Records comp that featured Robbie Basho -- i had been searching Basho on Spotify cuz of ogomor's posts)...anyway...he's not American Primitive...sort of spanish guitar....some melding of folk and classical styles....(in all honestly i'm not as versed on this kind of stuff)...anyway i think this album is fantastic:

http://www.boweavilrecordings.com/victorherrero.html

Hah, that is Josephine Foster's husband.

not familiar w/her

Oh man, she is great in her own right, but not for everyone I guess. I really like the Born Heller album (name of the band and album I believe), which is her and Jason Ajemian, but her other stuff is cool as well. I think her last album is called Blood Rushing and maybe has Victor playing on it.

OH MAN
they are both insanely talented
i'm going to see them tomorrow!

hmmm

there is a lot about this i like

but her vocal mannerisms

take some getting used to

to say the least

She sings in a lot of different ways -- depends on what you're in the mood for. She's really versatile IMO!

http://soundcloud.com/northern-routes/josephine-foster-and-pg-six

^^ josephine foster and our roommate's band covering white rabbit

Whoa! How cool. The song suits her too!!

U.M.S., that Born Heller record is pretty arch, and as La Lechera states she goes in a lot of directions, so some of her stuff may work better for you than others. I dig the arch stuff as well as the looser, more psych stuff she has done, but that Born Heller album is pretty special to me, but I am biased cause Jason Ajemian is a buddy. La Lechera is better disposed to run down her records though.

Maybe a little different take on what she gets up to, like this one a lot from Blood Rushing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu2_0UrpQ8Y

Like anyone with a wide and weird catalogue, it kind of depends on what you're looking for. Do you want something calm and melodious or urgent and keening? Ppl who post itt might enjoy Graphic as a Star, the album she did putting Emily Dickinson poems to music? It's pretty normal if you like her Sleeping Beauty voice + acoustic guitar. I don't want to go on and on. If you like Victor Herrero's playing, Perlas is the way to go but if you don't like her voice or Spanish folk music, you may hate it!

i'm also pretty unfamiliar with josephine foster (tho i know the name), but I'm going to check it out. I am kind of interested in hearing some more international kinda solo guitar things. i have a couple great carlos paredes LPs, need to dig deeper into bola sete. any other recs for non US/UK guitar soli people/records?

also, while i'm here, just going to reiterate how good marisa anderson's new one is! had it on repeat all this week: http://marisaanderson.bandcamp.com/album/mercury

need to hear the new marisa anderson..

i'm interested in hearing more latin american/caribbean/hawaiian/european guitar stuff as well.
i like bossa nova, but that's really more its own thing imo. some of the guitar work is marvelous but it has more in common with jazz guitar, and most of it has a rhythm section.. jazz guitar is cool though. eddie lang! pioneer of the jazz guitar!

there's joseph spence of course, who's a great player, but also sings.

does anyone but me like stuff like this? early hawaiian guitar? i tend to prefer the instrumental 'blues' pieces but there are some killer vocal numbers too; the playing is just great by a bunch of these guys -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fBw5ibH3UQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6t6Q6fphhI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0rUxL5Q3ts

Gonna dig into that Marisa Anderson now. Can't think of many good international recs, other than Dust To Digital just put out a collection of Greek music, and I really like this guy A. Kostis that is on it. He was also on one of the Secret Museum of Mankind collections. This is Ian 78 territory though, i.e., old stuff. There's vocals to, but I love the momentum of the guitar (or rebetika maybe) on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LHJ_XFRDcA

Hawaiian guitar is one of those things that sounds great in almost any context. It's the kind of thing I could listen to at home all day, need to collect more of that shit. Especially instrumental collections. Any good recommendations there would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.amazon.com/Master-Hawaiian-Steel-Guitar-Hoopii/dp/B0000002QI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371828650&sr=8-1&keywords=sol+hoopii

^ prob the 'best'' of the soli hoopii cds on amazon is not a bad place to start if anyone is into this stuff. or this various arteests comp:
http://www.amazon.com/1927-38-Hawaiian-Steel-Guitar-Classics/dp/B0000023TW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371828865&sr=8-1&keywords=hawaiian+guitar+arhoolie

that Kostis track is mesmerizing; thanks!

cool, thanks for the recs! checkin em out
someone suggested this comp as a way in w/ greek music: http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Soundeyet/On_A_Steady_Diet_of_Hash_Bread__Salt

Yeah, there is something about that Kostis track that is deeply heavy (and mesmerizing). Thanks for the Hawaiian rec too, will look into if for sure.

Marisa Anderson sounding great so far, really nice range and tone. Hadn't heard her before, but fits in well with my solo electric fixation these days.