Taking sides: nu-ilm vs old-ilm

There's some stuff about them here: pop-off tuesday

oh no!ILM is a victim of its own success! oh no!!

I agree, this is what should be done. I just think too many people here are too disinterested to bother, which is a shame.

for that thread, which is just general survey type thing this is fine surely. I was asked abt a xenakis rec i bought and i said i was going to post thoughts on it on a thread abt Xenakis (which i haven't done but i will).

& I've been meaning to say this for awhile: Graham, the new system is vast improvement. The new message alert in particular prevents a lot of misunderstandings, the ILM -> ILE click is great, and having the "contribute an answer" box on the same page of the thread is really handy. Sorry you're feeling down about ILM, but thanks nonetheless for all your hard work.

you're not the only one 'wasting' a lot of time on it, I can tell you!

you'll generate of course. i need to go back to bed.

There's a chance aswell that my growing sweariness was only on a scale with my growing passion.

I just resent "nu-ilm" being slated or criticised because it seems to piss all over any decent discussions I've had recently, and there have been a few. It's just a bit annoying to have someone come along and make a judgement on all the threads here, many of which simply don't interest them by virtue of their subject.

There's no justification for a straight up "fuck off" after you start a thread, but then again if noone answers the thread other than that it's not ILM's fault either.

There are loads of threads on ILM, and I'm not interested in most of them. That's okay. The style of post on some that I do read doesn't appeal, which is okay too. I still find, here and there, threads or debates or individual posts of extremely high interest to me, whether because they are funny or knowledgeable or intelligent or all three - and all three come together surprisingly often, to my delight. I still like it here, though I spend more time on ILE.

Question for Tom: Do you feel you [you personally] can discuss the things you want to here?

take off those rose tinted nostalgia glasses, blast off the new westbam single, and wear some cool brown clothes. it always works for me (of course, just coming in from the pub helps).

lets have a call out gareth thread instead, i'll take all y'all motherfuckers to the cemetery...

Graham: yes, actually, I think that anything I want to talk about here I can talk about here. I would be sorry if other people don't think that. I think that maybe 18 months ago I was more concerned about the replies I got than I am now. All I know is that if I hear something that thrills me I look for an ILM thread about it and if I don't find one I start/restart one. If pushed I would say that this is what everyone should be doing.

(Sometimes I am drunk and start threads and never look at them again, too. I hope someone likes them though.)

i mean in real life, if someone's being an ass, hounding you, whatebber - it's alot harder to dodge them, but this is a message board. you shouldn't need to be distressed by other people's posts. failing that, i've seen other msg boards introduce an option to ignore select posters, but exclusion also = death knell

graham, stop being so passive aggressive: i certainly don't feel about guilty not giving kiwi a roasting on that thread because a. i'd chided him on other threads for similar silliness, and b. you made no clear attempt to let ANYONE know that you were upset, or even that it wasn't you're intention to produce exactly that sort of response => some people (ie me) are completely unbothered by those kinds of posts (so i'm not going to automatically jump in on another's behalf unless they're very obviously being persistently harassed and disliking it); others — who very much dislike trollishness — are nevertheless inclined (by bitter experience) NOT to respond, because response so often makes the situation worse, most people probably didn't even see it, and some that did may well have felt there was no lasting issue, as no one was any obvious fuss (compare for example how melissa slapped down julio). i have to repeat: we are not telepathic!!!

as it happens, kiwi himself popped up somewhere a few days ago to say he pretty much only ever lurks these days anyway, so i simply don't see why you're *still* posting to this thread about this particular incident: you're a much bigger beast in the jungle than he is! You singlehandedly piloted us from collapsing planet greenspun to ilXoR!! i accept that you were upset at the time, because kiwi was being a childish prat, but as far as i'm concerned the person who has actually "stopped you talking about atomic kitten on ilm" on any permanent basis is yourself. revive the thread and talk about them!!

As for this nu/old shit...whats that all about? The "Myth of the Other" Id say. All I can say is sorry.

Please dont ban me :)

Same response to Mark S I think.

sorry if this upsets y'all's identity crisis or something, but having lurked/posted a year-plus myself I fail to see what is so FUCKING different about this as opposed to before, and if so why it FUCKING matters. I'm going to risk sounding like a real asshole here, but a lot of these types of threads (see also the "best new blogs" one) are wound-licking over NOTHING. I'm glad folks have a forum to feel sorry for themselves on en masse, but GET OVER IT.

Question for Tom: Do you feel you [you personally] can discuss the things you want to here?

Answer for Graham: Yes.

Sometimes I decide that I don't want to discuss stuff, though, I just want to say it. But a) that's why I have a website and b) neurotic that I am I've even discussed THAT on ILx at some point!

I do feel slightly bad that someone who has put so much work into this board is unhappy with the way things are going; especially since I certainly haven't done anything for ILM at the technical level, and wouldn't know how to.

(Yes, I have spent an excessive amount of time today online, but it's been a rubbish sort of day.)

It's just "Fuck off" as the only reply to a thread is a bit lame, yes?

Oh for fucks sake, of course its lame. Ive apologised, what more can you do? Self righteous fuckers the lot of you. Wish I was so perfect.

Wheres Queen G when you need him.

Graham can you please delete my IP address and ban me or whatever you do to make youself happy . Fuck me.

Chow.

Also, I think ILE would go down the dumper completely if ILM were to be deleted - the way I see it, a love of music is what unites us all, it's the one (admittedly very broad) common ground and so it's quite right it should stay at the centre of things here. Without it, it's possible that ILE really would decend into some sort of irrelevent mutual-friendly society of little relevence to new posters.

Jesus back around answer 30 or 32 it was really interesting and now look at it.

Hear hear!

That said, I'd actually argue that the board is -- for my tastes, obviously -- on an upswing: I don't know if it's just good new additions or the older "nu-ILM" people settling into a good rhythm and everyone getting to know one another, but I've been enjoying it a lot more lately. Please, though, don't anyone start any more "is ILM dying" threads: it's just really draining to see too much of this particular discussion.

hurrah!! roXoR!! ect ect!!

heh, we've even talked abt how 'circular' the threads get.

I enjoy talking shit but the ans would be that you never know: a common topic will be explored differently by someone new...there might some interesting things when you least expect. and then you can get into flame wars...all good fun.