Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

You did a fantastic job, Bee. Probably my favorite poll that I've been involved in thus far.

My thinking is that the Stax and disco polls are going to be like Motown -- so massive that they crowd themselves outside the order of artist polls, which can go on as usual, concurrent to these big 3 label/genre polls. Motown in June, Stax in July, disco in August...? (Though I don't know if seandalai and Tuomas have monthlong voting periods in mind for them.)

We decided upthread to do disco through July and Stax through August (I'm not around for most of July). And yeah, it makes sense to have at least one artist poll per month too.

Byrds

Ballot polls infecting other fandoms:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/06/03/vote-for-the-50-greatest-avengers-stories/

I was looking at the list and thinking how important Spotify has been to these polls, which is going to make Floyd a tough one.

― What makes a man start threads? (WilliamC), Friday, May 10, 2013 3:19 PM (1 month ago)

Problem solved.

a ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaa

so when is the Clash starting?

Is it time? I thought we were doing one artist a month. I can start it whenever though.

Not sure about it running into July 4th weekend.

fwiw, i'm gonna let the Jay-Z poll breathe after I'm done rolling out the Neptunes results this week, so you're welcome to do the Clash poll whenever, and I'll just set the Jay deadline for whenever the Clash poll has run its course and do the results rollout for that afterwards.

It's too bad that ILM's strong hip-hop contingent and the category of people who enjoy ballot polls has less overlap.

Gukbe, you could start the Clash poll this week and have voting open until something around the 8th or 9th? If you wanted to.

Ooh Ooh Ooh, Complete CLASH POLL (that's a laugh) - ILX Artist Poll #41 (?) - Voting Ends July 9th at Midnight (EST)

yeah they should definitely be in the same poll, throw daniel ash and david j solo in there also

― balls, samedi 15 juin 2013 02:46 (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agreed, one poll.

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), samedi 15 juin 2013 02:47 (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no side poll but don't know yet how i'm going to run this. i feel Bauhaus should be polled alone though.

― Bee OK, samedi 15 juin 2013 02:47 (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I say poll them all together too. Bauhaus only have 4 albums, which means almost all of their songs would appear in a Top 40. Not very suspensful...

I wish New Order and Joy Division had been polled together too. I would've been very curious to see the results. But at least NO has a large enough discography to make it interesting.

And Joy Division do not.

i really thought New Order deserved it's own poll. Joy Division is just a different animal.

i kinda feel like anytime there are multiple acts that are that closely associated who both have songs held in the same regard, or somewhere in the ballpark, it's worth doing a poll of them together. doing Clash/Big Audio Dynamite would be pointless because one would dominate, so may as well keep the Clash poll free of related projects, but imo it's more interesting to do New Order/Joy Division or Bauhaus/etc.

OTM. I hope you're willing to be swayed by the majority, Bee. Shaving that one clove of garlic onto three pizzas isn't going to be very delicious for anybody.

i will do that for Bauhaus they will all be polled together. i do think New Order is too different of a band to be polled with Joy Division. i should have added Electronic though, that could have been interesting.

1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre (cancelled)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)
38. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (VOTING IS OPEN, EXTENDED TO JULY 9TH)
39. Stax - seandalai
40. Disco - Tuomas
41. Jay-Z - some dude (VOTING IS OPEN)
42. The Clash - Gukbe (VOTING IS OPEN)
43. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope
44. Tom Waits - chap
45. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude (tentative)
46. Elvis Costello - kornrulez
47. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h
48. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom
49. Steely Dan - Bee OK
50. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra
51. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain
52. Outkast - The Reverend
53. Autechre - Leee
54. Brian Eno - WmC
55. Chic Organization - Donna Rouge
56. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom
57. Radiohead - nate woolls
58. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
59. P-Funk - Shakey Mo Collier
60. Iggy Pop, incl. Stooges - flopson
61. Boo Radleys - Bee OK
62. XTC - Shakey Mo Collier
63. Italo - daavid
64. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
65. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
66. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
67. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
68. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
69. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
70. Pixies - Johnny Fever
71. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
72. Spoon - Bee OK
73. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
74. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
75. Queen - charlie h
76. Dinosaur Jr. - Z S
77. Tom Petty - rogermexico
78. Elton John - Johnny Fever
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra (tentative)
80. Jimi Hendrix - WmC
81. Sightings - Raymond Cummings
82. John Coltrane - Tarfumes the Escape Goat
83. Stereolab - Moka
84. Bauhaus/Love and Rockets-Tones on Tail/Peter Murphy - Bee OK
85. Genesis + solo - NickB

Bumped and updated as an excuse to say I can't believe we haven't thought of ballot-polling the Burt Bacharach songbook. I might take that one on.

DO IT DO IT YES PLEASE :D

Would there be much interest in a Smiths poll?

I'd be. Can't believe that hasn't been done already.

Patti would win, Huey or Jimmy or Elliott would finish second. Unless votes for Harry counted.

lol, that actually would be an exciting poll. The "Smiths" rather than The Smiths.

Salt'n'Shake crisps FTW

Smiths plus solo (i.e. including electronic) would be a nice argument, though I suspect there might be enough closet Smithites to drown out our e-fans

I finally found where I stashed all my Sleater-Kinney cds, so now I'm ready for next year.

Thanks, Ismael Klata! In hindsight it seems obvious that that would be a whole genre of software, but the last time I thought about creating web content offline was, like, 2003 using Microsoft Frontpage.

Eh what, what've I done?!

haha oops wrong thread and wrong person!

http://i33.tinypic.com/34e3kns.jpg

I'm having those good wishes anyway, too late

^ Possibly my favourite exchange in ILX history

47. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h
48. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom
49. Steely Dan - Bee OK
50. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra

REALLY looking forward to this run of four!

Would there be much interest in a Smiths poll?

yes please. i was about to do the Smiths but decided to do Bauhaus instead.

have no idea what side polls to do for Steely Dan?

Favourite sample usage?

surly SFA's "The Man Don't Give a Fuck" would walk that one.

haha

Question for some dude on the Classic Rock Canon poll: if you're going to work from a nominations list from your contact in the radio biz, will you present it in alphabetical order instead of most-to-least-played or any subjective ranking? I hate the idea of number of plays influencing the vote. I can point you at a site I use that will alphabetize any list of words, titles, etc, if that will help.

yeah I think if I do present a master list of noms it'll be alpha. i've been avoiding giving that poll much thought, or even whether I really want to do it, may rethink the concept a bit or cancel it altogether.

sample usage would be a fun one for Steely Dan! we've obviously argued to death about which are the best albums but it might be nice to 'settle' that a bit by having people submit top 5s.

i should have said: besides the side poll for top Steely Dan albums.

Please don't cancel it! I'm really looking forward to it, and I know that somebody would step up to run it if you don't want to. I'd do it, if absolutely nobody else was willing.

Yeah, I'd handle that one gladly.

Side poll: Who is Rikki in "Rikki Don't Lose That Number"?

a) Rickie Lee Jones
b) Rikki Ducornet (college friend of Fagen's)
c) Ricky Nelson
d) Rickie Lee Reynolds (Black Oak Arkansas)
e) Richard Nixon

I've seen all of these theories defended. (Well, okay, the last one only by me.)

Rikki Rockett

problem solved

one of the local classic rock radio stations where I lived did this insane top 2000 countdown at the end of the last millenium. I used to have a printout of the whole shebang but I lost it when I got fired from my job at the time. and now I can't seem to find it on the radio station's website (obv bcz it was 12 years ago)...I might try to dig it up on the wayback machine or maybe even try to email the station. It was crazily in depth (tho even out of 2000 songs, there were only four Sabbath ones ;_;)

Put me down for a Smiths poll then please!

i've been avoiding giving that poll much thought, or even whether I really want to do it, may rethink the concept a bit or cancel it altogether.

haha, totally, you can see why i dropped this one! i think if anyone can do it it's you, but the problems are really obvious and Not Going Away. same with my never-proposed "modern rock radio" poll or w/e after all those great Modern Rock #1's threads. The category is enormous, vague, and punctured through with a few HUGE acts who have their own ballot polls so they just confuse the hell out of everything.

Also, this is really vague and schematic and obviously riddled with exceptions but increasingly lately as I've been trying to make Spotify playlists I'm convinced the Classic Rock Canon actually has at least two and probably three phases - - - #1 something from like '68 to '75 or so (which I'm calling "wooly rock") which is derived in equal measure from, like, CCR and Jefferson Airplane and encompasses any number of rootsy bands with fuzz bass and organs and boogie overtones, lurchy drunken compositions and swampy mixes: Steppenwolf, Foghat, Free, Joe Cocker, early Doobies, Zep, "Spill The Wine," "Spirit in the Sky" and at the poppy end, Three Dog Night in "Shambala"/"Never Been To Spain" mode, etc. By 1975 or so though something else is happening, let's call it "corporate rock," which is epitomized by the kind of clean, clear, but hot guitar tone of Joe Walsh on "Life In The Fast Lane" and Steve Miller Band on their big singles (and in fact he had it years before with the James Gang). The sound is punchier, the recordings are brighter, the fuzz fades away: Cheap Trick, Foreigner, Queen, Frampton, BTO, BOC, and especially Boston. I don't know if this shift is exactly a matter of technology (some kind of new recording gear? arena amps getting better?), The End of the Sixties hangover, new generation of audience, or what, but it really draws a line through the stuff IMO, notwithstanding huge acts like the Who or Elton John who don't really sound like either of these and are really the heirs to the Beatles in terms of pop-rock being a thing in itself.

These musics don't really sound a lot alike, actually, but lumped all together they made up the "classic rock" playlists I grew up with; they all sounded like rock and I didn't realize that, like, Boston and Steppenwolf are really different kinds of music! With that in mind, it's kind of hard to dismiss - though I'm tempted to - all the more 'digital' and/or new-wave-influenced stuff post '80, '82 or so, that doesn't sound like any of that stuff and definitely was not "classic rock" in the 90s despite often being the same people: latter-day Loggins, Collins, Money, Kihn, Frey, Winwood, Geils, etc. Not to mention the original 60s bluesy pop-rock stuff that gave rise to all of this - where exactly is the line? Nowadays "classic rock" stations have, like, Def Leppard on them! What a mess.

None of that should be taken to discourage doing the poll - I just really don't know how it would get bracketed.

i'm drunk btw

def phases to classic rock but it's still part of one ~lifespan~

midwestern classic rock station playlists show that there's still a classic rock canon, & the one we know & love, even if they occasionally slip a Nirvana or Alice in Chains song in there nowadays