The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

Right on!

I love The 'Mats but that ain't them.

I gotta say, Foley was the shit. I was disappointed that Mars left before I saw them in '91, but Foley sounded amazing.

And I'm reluctant to say "that's not the Replacements!" As someone who's seen 10 post-Kenney Jones Who shows (and two of those post-Entwistle), I'm really not in a position to judge.

It's not The Replacements without Chris

I fuckin discovered these guys in high school and they were long broken up by then and I've dreamed of seeing them but not this way. Fuckin bullshit.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, ohhhh, oh-oh-e-oh-oh-oh,
I'll beat Paul up, show him what I've got

Can't read my,
Can't read my
No he can't read my waterface

And I'm reluctant to say "that's not the Replacements!" As someone who's seen 10 post-Kenney Jones Who shows (and two of those post-Entwistle), I'm really not in a position to judge.

I remember some weird tour thereabouts 1994 or so where Roger Daltrey Sings the Music of Pete Townshend (with Pete Townshend on guitar.)

And now they're calling that The Who.

I understand this is a little different than "A Different Jam" or whatever that was supposed to be without Paul Weller. The main guy is still around. But c'mon. Would rather just see a Westerberg show because you might get a chance at "Seein' Her" as the encore.

I have major mixed feelings about this announcement.

I was excited for about 30 seconds before I realized this makes them the Slayer of indie rock.

I remember some weird tour thereabouts 1994 or so where Roger Daltrey Sings the Music of Pete Townshend (with Pete Townshend on guitar.)

The tour was called "Daltrey Sings Townshend," and John Entwistle was in the band, but not Pete. They actually booked an Australian tour as the Who -- on Pete suggestion, oddly enough -- but no one bought it, and it was cancelled.

Tommy said on WTF last week that they get festival offers every year, and eventually they'd accept one. I guess this was the year.

Not sure if this is how I want to see my imaginary high school boyfriend. Jesus, isn't GBV playing Riotfest too? Toooooo muuuuch memories. Someone would have to carry me out of there.

the entire riotfest lineup is pretty cringey

It is the RockIsNotDeadReally lineup.

the entire riotfest lineup is pretty cringey

it is basically my dream festival

The tour was called "Daltrey Sings Townshend," and John Entwistle was in the band, but not Pete. They actually booked an Australian tour as the Who -- on Pete suggestion, oddly enough -- but no one bought it, and it was cancelled.

That's right. Even more bizarre.

for what it's worth it was never really the replacements without bob. it wasn't even close. no offense to slim. but still.

that said, paul has been a dependable and generous solo performer over the years, and tommy is never anything but fun, so go at it with low expectations and there's a good chance you'llcome out way ahead.

Yeah, the one Paul solo show I saw in the mid-'90s was great, adding Tommy won't make it worse. And Paul's still the best-qualified guy to sing Replacements songs, whoever he's with.

I would pay to see Paul & Tommy & whoever imo

for what it's worth it was never really the replacements without bob. it wasn't even close. no offense to slim. but still.

I hear that fcc, and wouldn't try to argue against you.

But. You think about it, after Bob left, they became this band that really did try to shoot for the stars but got mooned instead. Before they were loveable fuck-ups who said whatever the shit, it's us against them. After Bob left, they really did fuck up. Kinda what they thought they were aiming for from the beginning, except since they were actually going through the motions of opening for Tom Petty and playing on a major label and making real videos, not just haha static ones, that failure sealed their legacy much more than being the happy-go-lucky failures they were in the beginning.

In other words, he who laughs first didn't get the joke. Soon as they turned from rock and roll clowns, leaving Bob behind, to becoming rock and roll ghosts, ironically THAT's when they fucked up the most.

This tonic and gin tastes good tonight. Anyway. I do think it would be an appropriate show to see since the replacements who replaced some original Replacements have now been replaced. God, if they could get Axl to show ups for Nightclub Jitters, that'd be all she wrote.

interesting perspective, pp. to me, though, the difference between the bob mats the slim mats is that the bob mats were a band in every sense of the word, four guys negotiating the crowded space around every note in addition to the even more crowded space around every six-pack. four guys laughing loudly, sometimes together, sometimes at each other, but always laughing. or at least smirking. the slim mats were a solo singer-songwriter and his tasteful backing band, much too reverent of the lead singer to ever negotiate anything except maybe their meager paychecks. i can't hardly blame them for sacking bob considering all i've read about him, but they never figured out how to be after that.

i saw them a few times on the major-label opening-band circuit, and those shows generally sucked. not because they were drunken and shambling, though they sometimes were, even in those years. they sucked because their hearts were completely not in it. they fucked up, but not from trying too hard, and not from lack of trying either. they just kinda gave up.

they still tossed off a few more great songs. i wish they had shot for the stars, but i don't think they ever really did. they couldn't even be bothered to shoot themselves in their feet.

revisit them occasionally but not a lot. when I do I'm usually struck by what a clever lyricist Paul was.

yeah, i'm not usually one to pay much attention to even my favorite bands' lyrics but i love westerberg's stuff. there's something about how casual his lyrics always sound, as if he's just making them up on the spot -- but he always comes up with the most incredible lines. i'm especially fond of 'on the prairie pavement/losin' proposition/quittin' school and going to work and never going fishin'.' which somehow feels very sad, like he's taken the essence of a beer-sozzled dropout's wasted life and boiled it down to a few seconds.

the writer he reminds me most of, actually, is chuck berry -- there's the same perfect blend of what-the-hell casualness and eloquence.

interesting perspective, pp. to me, though, the difference between the bob mats the slim mats is that the bob mats were a band in every sense of the word, four guys negotiating the crowded space around every note in addition to the even more crowded space around every six-pack. four guys laughing loudly, sometimes together, sometimes at each other, but always laughing. or at least smirking. the slim mats were a solo singer-songwriter and his tasteful backing band, much too reverent of the lead singer to ever negotiate anything except maybe their meager paychecks. i can't hardly blame them for sacking bob considering all i've read about him, but they never figured out how to be after that.

Extremely OTM. I saw both the Bob Replacements and the Slim Replacements and Bob was the random anarchy element that made it work. See also: Keith Moon

"So it's Paul and Tommy and...? Mars doesn't play anymore, and Dunlap is presumably not able to."

My guess would be that Josh Freese would play drums.

And Paul's still the best-qualified guy to sing Replacements songs, whoever he's with.

Which I guess is what's pulling me in, at least a little. I've never seen Paul live, but I've seen Tommy-era GNR twice, so I probably owe the guy.

Today I contemplated the mysteries of "Jesus rides beside me/he never buys...any smokes"

i always heard it as "he never bathes / and he smokes" - jesus as bum on public transport?

try and try and try!

HURRY UP
HURRYUP!

i have come to the conclusion that after 1) missing them on their final tour because my mom refused to drive me to cleveland in a snowstorm (see ticket below) and 2) seeing westerberg solo when i was 19, i have had the best experience i could have with live 'mats given my life circumstances. seeing them at riotfest is not going to help matters.

i'm going to dig around today for my picture of me and paul. it's underwhelming.

here's my ticket
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here's my bored replacements doodle from 10th gr
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BELKIN PRODUCTIONS! TICKETRON! THE AGORA! <3 <3 <3 <3

how sad is it that the ticket is WHOLE?! i had asked the coolest girl in school to go with me, and she was more of a joy division/cure maniac and she didn't know much about the replacements, but i made her listen to "shiftless when idle" and she was like yeah, we're going. then there was a snowstorm, so we just had a sleepover instead, which was the first time we had hung out outside of school. we had so much fun and have been friends ever since. wish i could say the same for paul westerberg tbh!

Every

body that's on my block

It's tired

ofmethatain't no shock.

EIGHT DOLLARS FIFTY CENTS

SMOKING MARIJUANA TILL ITS COMIN OUT OF MY EARS

STAY RIGHT THERE GO NO FURTHER

THE LIGHT WAS GREEN AND SO WAS I

you're in love and i'm in trouble

troubaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghl

yknow what? riotfest is going to be a cesspool. i'd rather stay home and listen to myself sing these songs, i think.

i gotta hide
i gotta run

TRIED SUICIDE

i always loved the way he said "go" in that song

btw
that ain't no fun

how sad is it that the ticket is WHOLE?!

That is sad. I saw them on that tour (at the Aragon, actually) and not to rub salt in the wound, but it was great. It was a little disconcerting in its consistency, but Tommy made up for that by shaking hands with some in the front row and causing a near-stampede that knocked a bunch of us over.

Tried to go to the Grant Park show, but the closest my friends and I could get was about four blocks from the stage. The seating area was blocked off to people who had "tickets," which seemed odd since it was a free show. Turned out there was some underhanded dealing by the radio station sponsoring the show (WXRT). I opted to go home and tape the show off the radio instead of getting heat stroke (also, my friends and I despised openers Material Issue for ripping off Green, and we didn't want to sit through their set).

haha i saw material issue at an amusement park

interesting perspective, pp. to me, though, the difference between the bob mats the slim mats is that the bob mats were a band in every sense of the word, four guys negotiating the crowded space around every note in addition to the even more crowded space around every six-pack. ...

And completely on the mark. I was a bit in my cups last night, but the point I was trying to make is that Who are the Replacements? They're this band of fuck-ups fighting the world by sitting back. Their most successful period, in content and in legacy, were those Bob years. So accepting that we're talking about two different bands here, who got clowned the hardest? They were almost replacements of their former TwinTone selves.

Those lovable losers lost their luster once "lovable" got thrown out the window.