Kanye West, Yeezus, 6/18/13 (TBC because who knows anymore)

dude should work it out in therapy and tell us what he figures out with the Plastic Kardashian Band

"tell me about your grandmother, kanye..."

not sure the world is ready for My Beautiful Dark Double Fantasy winning AOTY.

yeah i mean...pretty much every award he hasn't won, he's been vindicated by a huge number of fans and critics and peers who would readily say he deserved that award.

some people who are as successful as kanye -- across fields, from sports to politics to business -- are driven by slights that are minimal or imagined or so far in the past that normal people wonder why anyone could still care about such a thing. it's mania, basically, but it's also what keeps them motivated even after everyone in the world has told them how great and legendary they are. the example i always think of is albert pujols, who immediately hailed as one of the best players in baseball and very soon thereafter one of the best players of all-time. but there were still stories of, like, how he could never get over being drafted in the 15th round (or whatever). or how he could never get over the fact that the cardinals wouldn't offer him a contract that made him the highest paid player of all time, even though he had more money than anyone could ever want.

lol the Dixie Chicks were almost the original Taylor Swift:

I remember when both Gnarls Barkley and Justin (Timberlake) lost for Album of the Year, and I looked at Justin, and I was like: “Do you want me to go onstage for you? You know, do you want me to fight”

Dixie Chicks produced by Rick Rubin... #GrammyStrategy

i totally get the psychology of that. i also kinda think that if you don't keep that shit to yourself to some extent it can diminish your accomplishments. xp

Kinda like when FDR admitted that the worst blow he ever suffered wasn't polio -- it was getting rejected by the Porcellian Club in Harvard.

drake is already one of the most successful radio rappers of all time and yet!

Where was Drake when he won his first Grammy on Sunday for best rap album? The Toronto rapper, who recently moved to Los Angeles, won for his moody 2012 album Take Care. He has had 12 Grammy nominations since 2010, including three this year, but this was his first win.

At the moment his name was called, Drake was in the car, watching the pre-ceremony on his iPad.

"And then we just started going nuts. And we got out literally in the middle of the street — blocked cars. We all hugged. And then when I got back in the car I realized I had torn my suit," he said.

The happy rapper tweeted the mishap. "I just tore the sleeve off my Saint Laurent!!! Thank you all! I am so happy."

this is for winning an award that wasn't even deemed important enough to be shown on the actual broadcast

But on the other hand, Drake.

this is true

And I don't even ascribe that reaction to him being a black pop artist, I ascribe that to him being Canadian.

i'm not saying people can't be excited about awards they DO win, they totally should be. caring too much about the ones you don't win, though, smh.

"Mental pictures of Drake looking ridiculous"

The happy rapper.

kanye's response to the first question here seems pertinent to this discussion http://books.google.com/books?id=fyLttHWpa9EC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA60#v=onepage&q&f=false

it's a totally fair thing to say. he had a good year. but that was around the time he threw a fit because Gretchen Wilson won an AMA over him. that's the other thing, he doesn't just care too much about the Grammys, he's wilding out about VMAs and Kids Choice Awards and shit.

like i honestly think it's bad for hip hop that its most acclaimed artist, its bastion of cerebral non-gangsta music, is a such an idiot in some ways.

I think his ott emotionsl investment in awards nobody else cares about is an interesting, even endearing quirk. I like solipsistic Kanye though, poet of the psychological corrosiveness of celebrity. mbdtf is my favorite album by him.

that old Spin interview, wow.

Kanye To Radio: Drop Dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppzAzjjH0ng

his attitude towards radio right now is so weird. like, he did that Rihanna remix being all "on the radio, man, I miss myself" after 6 months of "Mercy" and "Clique" blanketing the airwaves.

why does anybody still care about this guy idgi

he's a conundrum wrapped in a weirdo.

he's still trying to prove his coach wrong. every day he has to make the team. forever. i dunno, i don't actually listen to his music, i just read about him. kinda like eminem. or 50 cent. or yoko ono.

haha yeah me too. I don't think I've heard anything of his since "Otis"

he's a star/icon and a punchline and people take him seriously. critical types. kinda like puffy. theoretically, two people i wouldn't want to be stuck next to on an airplane.

i mean people take him seriously AND they kinda laugh at him at times. so, eminem and puffy. three people i wouldn't want to be next to on an airplane. and yoko. four people.

The trickster deity breaks the rules of the gods or nature, sometimes maliciously (for example, Loki) but usually with ultimately positive effects (though the trickster's initial intentions may have been either positive or negative). Often, the bending/breaking of rules takes the form of tricks (e.g. Eris) or thievery. Tricksters can be cunning or foolish or both; they are often funny even when considered sacred or performing important cultural tasks. An example of this is the sacred Iktomi, whose role is to play tricks and games and by doing so raises awareness and acts as an equalizer.

nobody ever took puff seriously, including puff. would love to be on puff's jet.

nobody ever took puff seriously

? idk if we're all working off the same definition of "seriously" here

Best Song on Diddy - Dirty Money's "Last Train to Paris"

this seems like a pretty serious thread to me

yeah there was talk of actually changing the name of the board to I Love Diddy around that time.

I miss his all-caps blog posts. All-caps tweets don't have the same oomph.

pretty sure the gap between the ilx perception of last train to paris and its public perception is larger than most things in the world, kanye's ego included

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgMFdX4VfrQ

http://twitter.com/iamdiddy/status/324958109468598274

lol

pretty sure the gap between the ilx perception of last train to paris and its public perception is larger than most things in the world

and it makes me sadder than most things in the world ;_;

then you lead a charmed life!

idk it comes across as pretty obvious why a guy so clearly concerned with achieving legendary status and working in a genre that hasn't always been recognized adequately by The Grammys would want to win THE big award they offer instead of yet another untelevised award in the particular niche they've thrown him into, even if The Grammys itself is nowhere near as relevant as it used to be.

Wanting, sure. It remaining a primary talking point even on his "this album is about not giving a fuck and not bowing to corporations" campaign is pretty sad, though.

he's a dumdum wrapped in the smallest fiddle rolled up in an enigma.

some dude otm w/ kanye and the grammys and awards show in general (only however much drake and whoever care about the grammys is how much kanye cares about the nick kids choice awards so you can imagine how much he cares about the grammys). this sketch predates the taylor swift incident by almost two years - http://www.hulu.com/watch/10349.

When were The Grammys relevant?

back when Milli Vanilli were big iirc

michael jackson won a lot of grammys & pop stars want to be michael jackson

which is kinda sad considering how un-awesome michael jackson's life was

i think the super bowl ring/gold medal analogy is apt. huge world audience. top of the world, ma.

its still a way to gauge hugeness/godliness. you can't do it with record sales anymore. or very few people can. hard to hit DMX numbers let alone vanilla ice numbers.

http://www.complex.com/music/2013/05/the-50-best-selling-rap-albums/