"enormously talented outsider artist" is a funny phrase because the way people enjoy the record is pretty divorced from notions of her being a conventionally 'talented' singer or songwriter
― my mans ray manzarek (some dude), Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:35 (eleven years ago) link
xp: Willie Nelson?
― how's life, Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:41 (eleven years ago) link
Jandek
― unregistered, Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:04 (eleven years ago) link
I am terribly shocked that something called 'Backdoor Teen Mom' is NOT a leaked sex tape as previously advised.
There goes my faith in humanity.
― Sir Francis Drake burned the Spanish Armada because YOLO (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:16 (eleven years ago) link
oh it leaked
― my mans ray manzarek (some dude), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:22 (eleven years ago) link
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID
― Sir Francis Drake burned the Spanish Armada because YOLO (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:42 (eleven years ago) link
she seems really comfortable in front of the cameras
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
it's really gross how this porn film brings out all the hyuk-hyuksters. it's neither amusing nor shameful.
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
is it sad?
― precious bonsai children of new york (Jordan), Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
i think it was de beuavoir who said that women should be allowed to intentionally leak their own sex tapes without being mocked a little
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
really gross
― ḉrut (crüt), Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
well, simone de beauvoir really said 'sex pleasure in woman is a kind of magic spell; it demands complete abandon'. so...
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2013/10/09/farrah-abraham-daughter-mother-worst-eyebrows-tweeze-photos/
These days, former Teen Mom star Farrah Abraham spends most of her time appearing at strip clubs or giving interviews. But she insists time apart from daughter Sophia, 4, isn't hurting the little girl. "It's healthy that we have a break," claims Farrah, 22 (whose dad lives near her and Sophia in Texas). "She has her own life and is doing her own thing, and I'm doing mine.
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― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 October 2013 22:10 (ten years ago) link
O_O
― Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Friday, 11 October 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link
Lovely.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
The details of her "$1M contract" were finally revealed a couple of weeks ago.
She got $10k up front and then 3% royalties. At last count, Vivid reported about $125k paid to the "Back Door Teen Mom".
While not chump change, the payout looks to come in far short of a million dollars.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 12 October 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
still can't quite wrap my head around how bizarre her antic have been, even for your typical reality celeb, and it's only amplified by her cult status as this weird "outsider artist".
On that note, I showed a friend some of her work and she said it just sounded like house beats with weird over-autotuned vocals on top of them. I'm not too great at analyzing music, but is that description really that accurate? It's never sounded like anything with which I could make real comparisons.
― arctic mindbath (President of the People's Republic of Antarctica), Saturday, 12 October 2013 23:32 (ten years ago) link
definitely not
― dyl, Sunday, 13 October 2013 01:54 (ten years ago) link
it sounds like the music teenagers make when they're just starting out with sequencers
― fresh (crüt), Sunday, 13 October 2013 02:12 (ten years ago) link
looks like this guy produced for the album?
like the combination of piano and strings about 30 seconds into this track he's talking about sounds uncannily similar to that in e.g. "searching for closure" so i am ready to believe it
― dyl, Thursday, 5 December 2013 07:35 (ten years ago) link
NEW FARRAH ABRAHAM SONG!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h53AzPEdku0
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 01:29 (ten years ago) link
my Farrah connect told me she was working on new music a while back, i'd been looking forward to this XD
― The Greta Gerwig In The Sky (some dude), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 01:34 (ten years ago) link
And they said autotune makes everyone sound the same, pft
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 01:37 (ten years ago) link
the production feels slightly more standard but that just makes the autotune excesses seem even more out-there.
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 01:53 (ten years ago) link
The guy mentioned upthread with the Facebook profile is an audio engineer at a studio down the road from the Art Institute of Ft. Lauderdale, where FLA went to school for a bit. Wikipedia now says he produced the whole album, but no cite. Is it time for the important two-year anniversary retrospective?
― cr4bdbgs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 02:07 (ten years ago) link
Interesting how you can be considered an 'outsider artist' when you are a reality show star on MTV. It certainly doesn't drain that term of all meaning.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 02:47 (ten years ago) link
bored tonight and catching up on ilm threads, this is incredibly sad:
But she insists time apart from daughter Sophia, 4, isn't hurting the little girl. "It's healthy that we have a break," claims Farrah, 22 (whose dad lives near her and Sophia in Texas). "She has her own life and is doing her own thing, and I'm doing mine.
as the father of a 4-year-old girl, i'd bet Sophia is not all that happy to have a "healthy" break from her mom to focus on "her own life and ... her own thing"
for sure, 4-year-olds are starting to develop their own lives and their own things, but in general, a 4-year-old girl's life IS her mom/parents. Farrah talks about her like she's 17.
heartbreaking.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 07:32 (ten years ago) link
4-yr-olds are basically starting school all day?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:26 (ten years ago) link
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:47 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what a disaster for outsider artistry
― in my day this was all feels (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:33 (ten years ago) link
It's high time she teamed up with Chaka Khan for an inflammatorily titled duo project
― Slight damage to cover on top corner (chewed by a kitten) (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:39 (ten years ago) link
this is a tune, anyway, more conventional than one would think but i'm singing the chorus before it's halfway over
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:40 (ten years ago) link
omg her dancing in the avatar of her own twitter account
― reddening, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:45 (ten years ago) link
but isn't reality tv just outsider acting
― based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link
If it's on TV it is not outsider, it is monoculture.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:50 (ten years ago) link
It's kind of like when you had critics saying the blurry action scenes in Transformers 3 was a brilliant work of abstract art.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:51 (ten years ago) link
okay but her music is not on tv so
― based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link
'outsider' means unschooled if not mentally ill
― goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
like, gw bush is an outsider painter
and he was president!!
point is it's a pretty dumm and fraught term
― goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
"outsider" is also often used with a shade of "fails to achieve what it sets out to achieve but accidentally achieves something else great"
it's kind of a condescending term in that way, but honestly it's hard to imagine listening to farrah abraham in a way not slightly tainted by condescension.
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link
adam bruneau = the board's Allan Bloom
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link
"but honestly it's hard to imagine listening to farrah abraham in a way not slightly tainted by condescension."
what if you find value in the sounds she makes and the emotions she conveys
― based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
condescension is underrated
― goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:42 (ten years ago) link
Yeah i thought 'outsider art' meant 'Someone who is living outside of society'. Shut-ins, hermits, etc.
Applying it to W or Farrah seems to invoke a different meaning, more to do with kitsch or ironic appropriation (and including condescension).
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:44 (ten years ago) link
Her music is pretty interesting tho, I have to admit. Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
I'm like 98% sure I've already had this convo w/ you but the idea that authentic outsider artists (lol) aren't subject to kitsch or ironic appropriation or condescension is just baffling to me
― in my day this was all feels (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
Ok punching holes in whatever dumb arguments are making is fine, and I admit I'm trolling a little. Still, how 'outsider' can you be when your first single is premiered on http://www.intouchweekly.com?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
You seem to have a weirdly rigid idea of what constitutes "outside" society adam
Surely it's possible to feel like an outsider or express outsiderdom even while ostensibly being part of mainstream society? Especially if you're someone who's experienced the kind of life trauma and weirdness FA has?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link
'outsider' is a slippery concept, obviously superstars & heads of state &c. often feel separated & isolated, kanye feels persecuted or w/e, but expressing that is different from being removed from mainstream aesthetic discourse
― ogmor, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.
if she's going to be like any version of Ed Wood then surely she meets some reasonable definition of 'outsider'? I'm sure anyone who wanted to be a pop star and had a reasonable budget or backing could get some jobbing producer (e.g. anyone above ARK Music Factory standards) and make something that did a passable if probably not very interesting job of being pop music. That FA seems to have deviated from that easy path somewhat is notable at least.
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link