Oh, you've got green eyes Oh, you've got blue eyes Oh, you've got Poll eyes: NEW ORDER Artist poll #37 (voting ends May 26 Midnight Pacific)

3 since 1990 means their discography is a bit lopsided on that score.

Well, 4 now haha. Not even the poll was enough to get me to check out Lost Sirens yet.

Surprised I could come up with 40 tracks I like. I think of them as a band with very high highs and a lot of mediocre tracks, not to mention many short albums. But nothing on my ballot is mediocre (maaaaybe #40), and my top 5 tracks are all-time jams.

the numbers are not a problem. i said No need to number them but you can number them. in fact most of the ballots have numbers.

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My ballot is definitely ranked, btw

I didn't put numbers on mine, but it's 1-40 from the top.

Yeah mine is 1-40 from the top as well.

this is due on the 26th? new order is so great, but i def prefer the guitar side to the rubbery dance music side and i'm not ashamed to admit it. that's just how my instrument is tuned, i guess.
anyway, i have no idea what ilx consensus is so i have to ask - age of consent is well liked, yes? (i hope the answer is yes)

like i need another assignment in life but hey, it shouldn't be that hard. i know my favorites as well as i know any songs i know.

actually, that's not true -- i like both sides of new order, i just have a preference for movement-era sound over technique-era sound
brotherhood is somewhere in the middle, low life is at the top.

i think demographic info is interesting with new order too-- i wasn't friends with a single girl in high school (89-93) who didn't like at least one new order song. i had a tshirt with a rainbow usa flag on it. i wore it to my cousin's graduation party. we lived in ohio, usa. that's basically what new order reminds me of: adolescence.

ha well my favorite NO albums are Movement and Technique so

i don't know about ilm but i don't like age of consent at all. it is a stinking ballad. new order have so many great tunes but age of consent isn't one of them. that song goes absolutely nowhere. the singing is terrible as well. for me it belongs into the bottom 10% of the new order catalogue. but i am sure there are defenders...

xp - i'm not arguing or saying what's best, just what i personally prefer -- it's pretty clear (to me at least) that my feelings about new order songs were decided when i was an intellectual and emotional tadpole.

haha! you don't really hate age of consent, do you? are you pulling my leg?!

I love "Age of Consent", & wtf at it being a ballad?

i've been listening to it and am unable to locate the ballad

"thieves like us" -- that could be a ballad
love love
lovelovelove

xp see, i knew there would be lovers. i don't hate it but i'd rather never listen to it again. pcl isn't my fave album by them neither. for me a ballad is a song without a distinctive melody but with a kind of solemnity. not sure if that always nails it but in 90% of the cases it does, i reckon. thieves like us is great btw. it is a song with a great hook and lots of dancing potential. but maybe i am pretty off the money concerning ballads. am i?

the problem is that the word "ballad" actually has a real definition and when you use it with your made up definition, no one will understand what you are talking about

most things people call "ballads" aren't even ballads they're just slow love songs

i am a lover! and that song is not a ballad. i know what a ballad is.

Movement was the last album I got, sometime in fall '92 when it was reissued. I fell for "Senses" and "Dreams Never End" before the latter got overplayed in the mid nineties. I recoiled from the JD-isms while at the same time reveling in how well they replicated the sound. Now I think it's excellent in its own right – a sound captured at the moment of its decadence.

I bought Movement in 1989 on cassette and remember vividly putting myself into a trance at journalism camp listening to "The Him" on my Walkman in a dorm room with no air conditioning

Age Of Consent is awesome and will land in the top twenty. Top ten poss.

ok good
that's more like it

definitely in my top 10. Like Blue Monday, its not a conventional song by anyone's yardstick, although I guess there's more of a hook. A song like True Faith would stand up on an acoustic guitar; you can't really separate Age of Consent from its instrumental components. That's one of the qualities that made NO unique.

I vehemently disagree about "Age of Consent" not being separable from its arrangement

xp movement is such a weird album. it is made by a different band. in between joy div and new order. the same people as new order but still on the joy division trip. it is my favourite album by new order. there is not one weak song, it all falls into place. ian is hanging in his room and they just continue making music. i really admire them for having continued.

age of consent is not my #1 favorite NO song though
just for the record
i just wondered if it was well liked

i totally agree what you wrote about true faith dr x, it is a song which can stand on its own, it can be played on acoustic guitar without losing its qualities. but additionally it is a new order song i love because it has a great hummable melody and deep inside it is very melancholic, especially when bernard sings it in his quite flat voice. like all great new order songs. blue monda like age of consent on the other side do nothing for me at all. to me they seem soulless dance robot numbers.

blue monday

age of consent is not my #1 favorite NO song though
just for the record
i just wondered if it was well liked

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:15 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Let's just say that it was a very easy inclusion on my ballot ;)

I had to stop messing around with my ballot otherwise I never would have submitted it

there are a shit-ton of b-sides on it

And fwiw: I don't, and never have, seen Joy Division and New Order as two different things. I think if you ignore the differences in singer/lyricist and play the Joy Division catalogue in order, followed by the New Order catalogue, there is a definite natural progression there. Movement of course sounds the way that it does because Martin Hannett was involved, as he had been for the two Joy Division albums, and of course Bernard Sumner (and Peter Hook) hadn't found their own vocal style yet, but listen to the backing tracks of Movement and I genuinely believe that this was the way that Joy Division were headed anyway musically. 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' and 'Ceremony' musically were far more lighter than anything on Closer, and they obviously followed this slighter lighter direction for the Movement tracks. I really do believe that if Joy Division followed up Closer, it would have been a musically (note: not necessarily lyrically), lighter record. And I don't think Power, Corruption & Lies was a clean break from Movement either... if 'Age Of Consent' had been produced and recorded by Hannett, it would have sounded like pretty much anything else they'd done with Hannett. Musically, they were the same as they ever were, just the rawness that they had is shown through because of the way that its produced. The keyboard hook to 'Age Of Consent' is quite blatantly written by the same person who wrote the hook to 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'... it's the same kind of melodic sense. So yeah, natural progression in my eyes and no clean break 'tween the two - at any point.

*slighter=slightly.

oh dammit, I somehow managed to leave "Lonesome Tonight" off of my ballot

fuck

The keyboard hook to 'Age Of Consent' is quite blatantly written by the same person who wrote the hook to 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'... it's the same kind of melodic sense.

Well, yeah: Bernard Sumner wrote'em. He and the other two wrote the Joy Division music, so it'd make sense that Movement would sound like more of the same.

xp me too, i am sure somebody will take care of it, it's a great, kind of funky song (for new order).

I think it was a poor C&P on my part, I kept accidentally hitting ctrl-Z and losing things from my shortlist

also I intentionally left "State of the Nation" off and now that I'm listening to it I'm second-guessing

xp but still, movement is hanging somewhere in between the super goth late joy division and the new mega dance act new order. it's a different animal.

Well, yeah: Bernard Sumner wrote'em. He and the other two wrote the Joy Division music, so it'd make sense that Movement would sound like more of the same.

― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:59 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But you were "surprised at how well they replicated the sound [of Joy Division on Movement...]?" ;)

btw can I just say that if you don't have "1963" in your top five, you're doing it wrong

xp but still, movement is hanging somewhere in between the super goth late joy division and the new mega dance act new order. it's a different animal.

― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:02 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well yes, it's a transitional album (most albums between a first album and a last album are), but I wouldn't say it was a different animal. That implies something radically different, and it's pretty clear from listening to the record who was involved in making it.

xp state of the nation? another pointless exercise in programming. unrecyclable rubbish if you ask me.

1963 is phantastic and that is a great praise by someone who was born in [guess year]

btw can I just say that if you don't have "1963" in your top five, you're doing it wrong

― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hehehehehe... oh indeed, I'm totally doing it wrong! But, since we scarcely see eye-to-eye on the repertoire of bands that we both like and everything...

haha, I would hi-five you but the matter/antimatter reaction would likely annihilate the world

if you can't imagine preferring 5 songs on substance alone to 1963, i assume what you're doing is PLAYING YOURSELF and I don't want to do that anyway

Well, yeah: Bernard Sumner wrote'em. He and the other two wrote the Joy Division music, so it'd make sense that Movement would sound like more of the same.

― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:59 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But you were "surprised at how well they replicated the sound [of Joy Division on Movement...]?" ;)

well, yeah! Sumner's singing doomy platitudes because Curtis no longer can't.

xp: well my #1 is basically going to make people think I'm insane so *shrug*

turn my way right? it's turn my way

hahahaha I should have done that, but no

oh sure new order was always great, but it wasn't until the early 00s that they truly rocked the shack

whatever. As long as "All The Way" is on every ballot.