Rolling Stones: Classic or Dud

Interesting re: Jones quote.

So are you guys buying Mikal Gilmore's story that Keith's drinking and/or arthritis have taken a toll on his ability to play?

Maybe a combination of the two, but certainly the latter. I'd been hearing that from people who would know for a couple of years.

Man, I've got a couple of awesome Keith drinking stories. The first was told to me by Taylor Hackford, who directed "Hail! Hail! Rock n Roll." He had visited Keith's house, and of course, the drinking began early. But just when Hackford was ready to call it a day (morning?) Keith decided to go horse riding, and Hackford sensibly bowed out and watched rather than, you know, die. He (like others) determined that what kills so many, like Gram Parsons, is trying to keep up with Keith when you should really know when the quit.

The other was this video director, or producer?, who wanted to use a Stones video in one of those Director's Series DVD collections. He shows up to Keith's house in Connecticut, and is surprised at the lack of security or anything. In fact, Keith answered the door himself and invited him in. I guess someone had given him a new satellite radio system, and he was fascinated with it, so he and this producer whose name I forget spent a few hours drinking and playing with the new toy. Then, after all that time had passed, Keith turns to him and asks, politely: "So, who are you, and what can I do for you?"

Bob Dylan has said he thinks The Rolling Stones aren't "real" enough without original bassist Bill Wyman in the band.

In an interview with MTV producer Bill Flanagan to promote his new album 'Together Through Life', Dylan said he regards The Rolling Stones as a mere "funk band" without Wyman on board.

The bassist quit the band in 1990, after nearly three decades service.

"I'm not saying they don't keep going, but they need Bill," he said. "Without him they're a funk band. They'll be the real Rolling Stones when they get Bill back."

Earlier in the interview, Dylan said he thinks The Rolling Stones are "pretty much finished," reports Bobdylan.com.

Flanagan then accused Dylan of being stuck in the '80s, before asking him if he really thinks The Rolling Stones are finished as a band.

"Of course not, they're far from finished," Dylan replied. "The Rolling Stones are truly the greatest rock and roll band in the world and always will be. The last too.

"Everything that came after them, metal, rap, punk, new wave, pop-rock, you name it...you can trace it all back to The Rolling Stones. They were the first and the last and no one's ever done it better."

quite generous, I reckons... (re: Dylan Quote)

xpost I think if you're coming off of Miles Davis, you don't need to put a lot of thought into the Stones.

his forefinger and middle finger look pretty fucked up, and this is from 9 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X6S34luGuE

smoking & drinking a lot is obv not going to do much good for an inflammatory disease

I remember talking with people about Richards in the Scorsese "Blues" series on PBS (from a couple years after that clip) and how none of us could get past how warped his hands were. Can't find any clips on youtube (other than one w/Clapton).

Rolling Stones C*cksucker Blues:
http://www.nga.gov/content/ngaweb/calendar/film-programs/artfilms/towardCS.html

Free showing of this 1972 Robert Frank directed doc that supposedly can't be shown in commercial theatres and such, is on view Saturday afternoon at the National Gallery of Art in Washington DC. Y'all should come see it. I liked it when I saw it there many years back

But maybe it wasn't that good. I also see folks have dismissed it on various threads

they come off as total assholes in it imho so in that sense it's worthwhile/interesting

i think it's a very accurate account of life on the road, which means it gets boring in places and is at times repellent, which is as it should be. a great piece of journalism, and the music kills.

I saw Cocksucker Blues once, and in all honesty it bored me rigid and didn't live up to the hype as far as I was concerned.

You get to see Keith nodding out on smack, Keith and Bobby Keyes throwing a TV out of a hotel, people shooting up and doing coke, girls with their tits out and all that stuff... and it all sounds on paper like it's going to be monumentally exciting, but in reality it's as dull to watch as wallpaper.

Like "Eat the document", kinda?

Its not a bad comparison, not as self consciously arty though

live performances in Eat the Document are better imho (even tho you can't really see them lol)

Writer Richie Uterberger:
On Saturday from 2:00pm-4:30pm in Koret Auditorium at the San Francisco Main Library at 100 Larkin Street, I'm presenting two hours of rare Rolling Stones film clips from the 1960s and early 1970s. This will be on the 50th anniversary of the month on which the Rolling Stones released their first single. Admission is free.

Unterberger

i had always thought the stones released their first single in 62. i feel like a fucking idiot. i also had thought their first single was "as tears go by," which i see now is not true.

i feel like a fucking idiot.

OK

gonna see them for (only) 100 dollars!

you can start being jealous now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AKez2s_K5Q

Thought this revive would be about the 45 anniversary of Brian Jones' passing.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10455186_10152591232778287_2316212642802061970_n.jpg

he looks old in this pic

will never understand why this guy was a babe magnet. He looks like he demanded a horned toad be implanted into his face.

he was?

he sure was!

...so was Wyman...salt grains, please.

coke grams, please

all of the, were babe magnets, weren't they? i mean it's the stones!

i'm pretty sure any troll ass wanker in a rock n roll band could get extinction level event levels of trim in the 60s and 70s

http://www.punmaster.com/wyman.jpg

"You know it!"

http://www.deathroe.com/ktml2/images/uploads/ChoiceSux/DeadRoaches.jpg?0.7183861447097172

still searching for more booty

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/standard-pictures/article7328407.ece/alternates/w620/Treasure%20Hunt:%20Former%20Rolling%20Stone%20Bill%20Wyman%20says%20he%20finds%20metal-detecting%20more%20interesting%20than%20rock

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_S4cwgRYb1mQ/TOWEyBlw5rI/AAAAAAAAAbs/cX7yi2mAoVc/s1600/rsbowling.jpg

Bowling for Booty

i thought part of the point of the rolling stones was that they were grotesquely ugly but still luridly sexual. you can't be too pretty if you want to seem dangerous.

mick & keef were totally handsome back in the day!!

mick especially

brian looked like a dancing gnome though, creepy fucker

"grotesquely ugly" was strongly worded. they just looked like people but they tried to play up a savage dandyism that is antithetical to normative handsomeness and brian looking like he had a "horned toad implanted in his face" is in line with this aesthetic.

Plenty of pics of BJ looking pretty but in the one above he has bags under his eyes befitting a 60-year-old. Nice stereo though.

My god, is this bands '60s discography such a mess! Not musically, more that they haven't tidied it up like The Beatles did in the '80s by sticking with the UK versions and handily putting what was left over on the Past Masters compilations.

There used to be this 24-hour Chinese restaurant in midtown Atlanta that was legendary back in the days when we used to rage. It was walking distance of a bunch of punk houses, perfect for 5am helpings of the best vegetarian food you ever had in your life. One of the servers was ALWAYS there, day or night, any time you showed up.

It was a little ghetto and was actually right next to a hotel, by the off-ramp onto the interstate. Out front there was one of those concrete garden statues, of a duck, with his head missing.

First thing you saw when you walked in, on the wall, was a framed photo of Mick Jagger taken in the restaurant, with what looked like the owner and his wife beside him. Starting right underneath him and going up at a 45 degree angle were stick-on letters spelling out ICK JAGGER

lol

nice

Listening to Between The Buttons tonight, and man... could they just not be bothered to tune the bass properly before recording 'She Smiled Sweetly' or something?

The untuned weirdness is how it is good no?

Wyman would have spent more time tuning, but iirc he had a hot chick waiting in bed.

The untuned weirdness is how it is good no?

― Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, February 9, 2016 1:26 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No, it sounds like shit!

Wyman must have already been with the hot chick, 'cuz Keith plays bass on it iirc.

LOL Bill always had his hands full.

Coincidentally i found this really good article on Bill Wyman's non-Stones production experience during the late 60s. It is mostly about a really amazing record called "Introspection" he produced by a band called The End. Bill was recording so many psychedelic masterpieces he didn't have time to tune his bass.

http://billwyman.com/audio/the-end-introspection/

I've got to say that the Stones have put out some pretty good archive show material. The Marquee Club 71, LA Forum 75 and Texas 78 live sets are all quite ace. The sets are varied and some really good versions of some Stones album tracks.