Daft Punk's Random Access Memories

The viriol and hatred in response to this album almost kind of prove that this is the most significant sincere album in a long time.

I was afraid the term itself would be the red herring, which is why I said "take the grandiosity" out of that statement. But it is not a pointless argument to make.

i'm w/ you man but you might wanna slow yr roll

http://www.rollingstone.com/assets/images/album_review/b57195201d26654eb6336954e0f4025f87b83b44.jpg

Will pace, ta gr8080

The world just isn't ready yet ;_;

actually no i agree with alfred i have no idea what "sincerity" or by implication all these other significant albums' "insincerity" even means here

like, tell me what's insincere about some recent significant albums and then we might be getting somewhere

is it about using "corny" or "cheesy" sonic signifiers, except in a non-ironic fashion?

I meant "sincerity" in that it is devoid of irony, cynicism, or nihilism even. This record is the record they wanted to make, they followed their feelings and did it the way they wanted to. Despite the massive pressure of expectancy. This is the first Daft Punk record that isn't ironic; all the previous ones at least had some element of that in them, a wink, a nudge.
Some people call the new one humourless, over the top, or downright batshit insane. In response to that I wanted to say that to me this record actually is completely sincere in its intentions.

Yeah Jordan, that's it xp

how are "following their feelings" and "devoid of irony" mutually exclusive?

Did I say those were mutually exlusive?

If so, I didn't intend to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJsMYpNSYm4

haha

You said this record was devoid of irony, cynicism, or nihilism even. This record is the record they wanted to make, they followed their feelings and did it the way they wanted to. Despite the massive pressure of expectancy.

how do the second and third sentences follow the first?

if this is the first album that explicitly trades on sincerity that you've heard in 2013...

i mean sure i'm not disputing that it's sincere but c'mon, you think they're the only ones? or their sincerity is more pure than anyone else's?

― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:12 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. (1) mainstream pop music ca. 2013 is much bigger than daft punk, and sincere. (2) i can't think of any insincere albums right now.

there are approx 1000000 house trax more sincere than this overworked pile of steaming poo

or at least *as* sincere

right, but those records sound like mainstream pop music ca. 2013, as opposed to using sounds that are often employed with some degree of irony or pastiche (jazz fusion drums, disco guitar, broadway vibes? i dunno, i haven't listened to this record).

right but he seems to be saying sincerity is bucking convention somehow.

putting mass pop to one side, i can't think of any "ironic" album that's sold more than like 2000 copies in the last 5 years

― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), donderdag 16 mei 2013 0:27 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The second and third sentence have no significant baring on the first sentence, and I never implied that. Was just rambling freely.

xp except maybe rubies, which is the exception that proved the rule in terms of the negligible impact it had on The Sound of Now

is "accidental racist" more or less sincere than this album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UtQe0JOCnM

haa from Nile interview:

"It all depends on the show, but songs that make every single show are Good Times, Le Freak, We Are Family, He's The Greatest Dancer... but lately we've put in Bowie's Let's Dance and Madonna's Like A Virgin. Last year we did a song I wrote for Carly Simon called Why for the first time since I did it in the studio.

I saw Chic in March last year (same show INXS dudes went to) and he did a booksigning afterwards. He'd said a lot of "oh my, we are definitely coming back here" onstage, and so at the signing I said "great great show, really hope you do come back etc etc... and hey, if you do, the one thing that could make it better is if you play Why."

What I meant was: Here is a band, with a sprawling, anticipation-inducing pr campagne, and a huge backstory of coolness, touches of irony, setting the trend for quite some time, delivering a new album. And it turns out those winks of irony or "cool" are not on here: it is a sincere, earnest album. Which seems to bother quite a lot of people, as it is received with a lot of scorn ("elevator music", "miss homework era dp" etc), almost as if people dread Daft Punk made an earnest album and not putting in irony or cynicism.

Sincerity is a horrible concept and fucking hard one to pull off but listen to Paul Williams vocal...he really means it (maaan) and I think it's the reason people are starting to fall in love with that track....

xp ok i think that's fair(ish), but the people the earnestness or sincerity or guilelessness or whatevs bothers are not on this thread, and i think even the people on this thread who don't like the album think that's a dumb line of attack.

the effort to find a 'new sincerity' seems misguided to me, like a belief that culture is like physics, for every reaction there must be an equal and opposite reaction. yes post-modernism and irony was a tool used within some circles but that doesn't mean 'sincerity' ever went away or even lessened as an artistic force.

Caek, that is probably true, got those vibes mostly from ppl around me, or twitter or whatever

everybody needs to *ahem* acquire *ahem* the FLAC right now btw

I should have never, ever brought 'new sincerity' into this. Only picked it up from someone. For I do not see it as a belief etc, as Dayo points out

i kind of get it though, DP made an album where they were very open about wearing their influences on their sleeve, it's almost a perfect imitation, and it doesn't sound like what they've done before. but that doesn't mean that HAA or Discovery were done from an ironic standpoint.

my updated view of this album: favourite album of the year up to and including track 9. fragments of time and contact are solid. panda bear is awful to listen to but a fun earworm after the fact. motherboard is rubbish.

xps yeah I don't think this is any different to Discovery in terms of what you're talking about...DP aren't being more since/less ironic or whatever here than on that

I think the sincerity of what they say is so pronounced because their statements are so obviously wrong and stupid. Like, they have Moroder talking about 'the sound of the future' when there isn't a single new idea on the record. They sing about losing yourself in dance in a song which no one would ever lose themselves dancing to.

i have already lost myself dancing to that song so you are wrong

Definitely agree with you Dayo, well put. I did not mean to imply the previous records were done from an ironic standpoint. But the music did implicate it at times.

With this one, they turned everything upside down, went the whole nine yards in being open: showing their influences, pressing on the fact that this would be a "different" Daft Punk than before. I admire that. I think most poignant is the Rodgers quote up here somewhere showing how shocked they were that the album had leaked: it didn't seem they were concerned about breaking "the spell" of the pr as much as being gutted that they lost control at the very conceiving end of this album, of bringing it to the world, and being concerned about the reactions. And Rodgers had to console them and tell them: "Look maaahhn, it's about the music, they either like it or not, no big deal."

i have already lost myself dancing to that song so you are wrong

pictures plz

anyway i don't know how any of the moves that DP pulled on this record are supposed to be weird or surprising after kanye already sampled the dan like three years ago. peace http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x259/alexandramarko/fun/smiley_peace.gif

forget kanye what about de la soul

now all I can see is Nile Rodgers consoling French retro robots.

and who better?

there ain't enough Rodgers riffage to mitigate the awfulness of Pharrell's falsetto.

"champion" was almost 6 years ago!!

man how time flies

finally listening to the whole thing today.

why does everyone (around the internet at least) hate Touch so much? you wouldn't play it at a dance party or anything (ok i guess i just answered my own question) but it's not bad at all!

i want my 16 minute version of Touch

and keep wanting to mix 'loose yourself to dance' into cassius' 'au reve'

anyway if you want to look for examples of the new sincerity look no farther than new ilx poster treeship.

*runs hand through hair* damn

lol