New Joanna Newsom Album "Ys" Due Nov 14

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Mark (MarkR), Friday, 17 November 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

Oh well. You start with a "" then to close you go "".

http://www.pageresource.com/html/textags.htm

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 17 November 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

""i think i get it""

pernicus (pernicus), Friday, 17 November 2006 03:52 (nineteen years ago)

once there was a monkey and a bear

pernicus (pernicus), Friday, 17 November 2006 03:53 (nineteen years ago)

I will now bookmark that page, thank you mark

I said Thank you

pernicus (pernicus), Friday, 17 November 2006 03:55 (nineteen years ago)

the double "" add something here"" confused me at first though...


O_o

pernicus (pernicus), Friday, 17 November 2006 03:55 (nineteen years ago)

Let's see if this works. You type: <i>text to italicize</i>

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Friday, 17 November 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

"MY FRIENDS WENT TO HOTT WOLF PELT THREAD AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY HTML PLAYGROUND."

cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Friday, 17 November 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm interested in hearing more about what Marcello thinks of this...

I do have considerably more to say about all of this, but I'm going to save it for the end-of-year CoM round-up.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 17 November 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Why no encore last night at the Black Cat in DC?

Man, the one thing that just hits you in the face about her is that she is just absolutely FLAWLESS (well, as far as not hitting ONE wrong note and remembering all those changes and lyrics....).

But why does she have to play the entire album in order? It's tiring to stand and listen to, I'm sure it's tiring to actually play. Why not mix in some of the "short" songs?

PBfromCleveland (PBfromCleveland), Saturday, 18 November 2006 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

She has to say on message.

M. V. (M.V.), Saturday, 18 November 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

"stay"

M. V. (M.V.), Saturday, 18 November 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Having just given up halfway through the first song, I am, it is safe to say, completely baffled.

Sean Braud1s (Sean Braudis), Saturday, 18 November 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

math is hard.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 18 November 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

not my cuppa tea. don't like her voice, don't like that she doesn't stop sprechsinging, don't like the lack of hooks, don't care for the words. in one sentence it's all too much. but it doesn't surprise me that most critics are crazy about it. did anyone mention the incredible string band already ? their status in some circles baffles me too but at least i could imagine liking singing their little tunes. can't listen to them neither.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 18 November 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

Alex, that's all perfectly reasonably except for the "lack of hooks" bit. They may take a little longer to stand out, but this thing is a freakin' tacklebox.

cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Sunday, 19 November 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

this thing is a freakin' tacklebox.

jesus god best phrase ever

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 19 November 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

This thread's naysayers deserve credit for mostly avoiding the canard that often accompanies backlashes against works like "Ys": namely, that its fans are "pretending to like it."

M. V. (M.V.), Sunday, 19 November 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but here's my viewpoint:

I'd kind of liked JN's stuff, and many tracks off of Milk Eyed Mender had touched me but not enough to endure repeated listenings. But I can kind of understand where Jim "Music Is Back" O'Rourke is coming from here. It's not necessarily meant as a pretentious statement, more the essence of musicianship and composition. Here is someone who might have had her shot in the dark during the Freakfolk boom of 2004 and disappeared along with many other one-timers.
But as Edward III says, I'd like to echo the thought of her being quite a bit more than a fad. JN is way way above what Devendra and his cohorts are doing this (I say this as an advocate of Banhart). This is a proper album. It's a work of art which has obviously taken an extreme amount of blood, sweat and tears, so-to-speak, and I think this is what O'Rourke is trying to pont out. This isn't any old tossed off indie here-today-gone-tomorrow rubbish, it is totally unique in it's aspect and I haven't felt so intrigued and bewildered yet tempted to listen again and again by a new release since Autechre's "Confield".
Weird comparison? Okay, but someone upthread said they felt almost as if the music was above them -- as if they wished it was a bit more down to earth. I have to call bullshit on this to be fair. If it was songs about washing your hair or getting down on the dancefloor, it would be someone else, not Joanna Newsom and you have to be ready and willing to open up to her fairy tale world if you're going to enjoy it. Banging on about the music being ungenuine is ridiculous too. You can either sing about kitchen sinks or you can be a method actor or a story teller. In this case, it's the latter two. If you don't like it then go back to your Smiths albums and stop complaining.
This is a wonderful, intricate, storybook of an album and I haven't quite felt this drawn and willingly happy to listen to certain tracks again and again in quite some time. Especially in this age when music consumption often means that I have little time for releases that I really should give more time for.
To be honest, it's still over my head - I still don't know what the beef is with the monkey and the bear, despite it being my favourite track (mostly cos of VDP's excellent string arrangements), but fuck it - that's not what it's meant to be about. This is defo a big grower.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Sunday, 19 November 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

FWIW - I think VDP's arrangements rock. Monkey And Bear is the best song on there and is followed up by the sonically uninteresting Sawdust And Diamonds, which I know a lot of people like. Also - have we mentioned the squeaking on the last track - amazing.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Sunday, 19 November 2006 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

As an after thought, there seems to be a very clear divide on this thread between those who want instant results - pure, unfussy, straightforward songwriting and those who are prepared to invest a little more time into something that may or may not be utterly unique and intriguing. I'm verging towards the latter, and you can keep your "fairies and skipping stones" bullshit, because all R'n'B lyrics go "Woooahahaaha I looouuurve yoooouuu". ;-)

wogan lenin (dog latin), Sunday, 19 November 2006 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

oh shit--I guess my criticism of this album means I haven't been listening to enough smiths albums lately. Thanks Wogan for reminding me what my problem is!!! MORE SMITHS!

(?!?!)

pernicus (pernicus), Sunday, 19 November 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

haha, i was pissed when i wrote all that.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Sunday, 19 November 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

pernicus seems pissed, too. about what, I'm not sure.

Edward III (edward iii), Sunday, 19 November 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

just find the extreme fan boy activity both irritating and weirdly misguided

the album is OK, but it's the reaction to it that drives me bats

zippezappy (doomed), Sunday, 19 November 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Myths about this album that are hardening, only a week after its official release:

(1) You'll either love it or hate it.
(2) It's impossible to "get" unless you spend a lot of time with it.
(3) There's something to "get" at all.
(4) People who don't like it aren't listening close enough.
(5) Newsom is a flake.
(6) Newsome is a fake.
(7) Newsom is a genius.
(8) Because a lot of people who like the album have funny haircuts and tight t-shirts, Newsom must be catering to them.

Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 19 November 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

its quite simple really...the tackle box comparison is perfect...Look at the 17 minute "Only Skin" (which is I think is the climax of the album): I cannot think of one other artist who has treaded the ambitious grounds of this song, the twisting and turning of the lyrical cycle, the slow evolutions from crescendo to naked statement, and made it fit so perfectly in one piece without disintegrating...as far as extreme rock music goes, this goes far behind something like Gogol Bordello, Black Dice or even the No New York scene, becuase its able to hold to together enough to make it timeless (those bands are admired because of their similar ambition, but its ambition that self-destructs on purpose)..YS such an honest projection of her longing and worries that is scares people, like Joni Mitchell's Blue probably scared people at first with its nakedness....the closest I can think from the female perspective is Kate Bush (going back to Joni Mitchell) but this is much less flawed...I think if you sit with it long enough even the certain lines that might of made you cringe are now endearing...it wasn't like this on the first album, some stories just didn't work, some melodies were annoying over time...but the machine is running flawless this time

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Sunday, 19 November 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

(9) Newsom has an e

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 November 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

i don't mind you comparing her to elfs like björk (newsom's girlish voice is really very similar & that strikes me as a shtick of hers if her real voice is much different), kate bush, tori amos etc.

but please don't mention joni mitchell or mary margaret o'hara (that was on a blog somewhere). those two make/made vital, emotive, inspiring music whereas newsom sounds dry, precocious, suffocating, tiring, lifeless etc. there are no surprises. the more i listen to it, the clearer it becomes. there are bits of tunes there, that's right but the whole thing just doesn't hold together. flawless might be actually quite to the the point but it is the kind of perfection with no breath in it.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Sunday, 19 November 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

see i feel that she's tearing her soul open: I think that's obvious with the lyrics: "life is thundering blissful towards death in a stampeed of its its fumbling green gentleness" no breath in that? later in the same song: "But I'm starving and freezing in my measly old bed!
Then i'll crawl across the salt flats to stroke your sweet head
Come across the desert with no shoes on! I love you truly, or I love no-one"...this is flawless not only technically but with her rendering of emotions into moving couplets...there is no schtick here - she provides the transcdence here, not her influences

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Sunday, 19 November 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

and her real voice is exactly as her singing voice

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Sunday, 19 November 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

evidence: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VcsBGR9uHmc

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

i haven't really listened to the lyrics yet, it is almost impossible for me to properly listen to lyrics of music i don't connect to. i meant the meandering music plus the word bombardement which makes me feel strangled. the passages you quote can't convince me at all. where is the humour, where is the life in those eccentric, ambitious words she chooses? what does she have to say besides carefully chosen metaphors?

btw her speaking voice in the video is different. at least an octave lower then when she sings. and she doesn't come over precious and pretentious at all in the interview bits. she has got something about her. maybe she makes that kind of over the top music because of her own insecurity? in any case it is just not my thing as i already said upthread.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

What does her speaking voice have to do with anything?

Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

it is just that i prefer it to her shrill singing voice, that's all.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

(10) Songs are meandering

Edward III (edward iii), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

If you don't see "the life" in this than I give up:

Stay with me for awhile
That's an awfully real gun
I know life will lay you down
As the lightning has lately done

Failing this, failing this,
Follow me, my sweetest friend
To see what you anointed in pointing your gun there

Lay it down! Nice and slow!
There is nowhere to go, save up
Up where the light, undiluted, is weaving in a drunk dream
At the sight of my baby, out back:
Back on the patio watching the bats bring night in
- while, elsewhere, estuaries of wax-white
Wend, endlessly, towards seashores unmapped

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

as mentioned before, each song does follow a storyline (which, I admit, is tough to discern without a lyric sheet), but these lines, I believe is the culmination of a tale of two lovers (her and Callahan?) struggling back and forth with protecting each other's excessive tendencies

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

my point being:
these arent simply misplaced metaphors

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

where is the humour, where is the life in those eccentric, ambitious words she chooses? what does she have to say besides carefully chosen metaphors?

Speaking of freshman poetry class...

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Sunday, 19 November 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

If you don't dig the literary aspects of what she's doing, you might snap off the stereo in disgust

I wrote this about 400 posts ago, and I think it's been borne out. Some are going to be instantly turned off when they hear something like, "estuaries of wax-white wend".

Edward III (edward iii), Sunday, 19 November 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

On the other hand, there are plenty of moments where she cuts through the jive and speaks plainly + directly. The plaintive cries of "desire, oh oh desire" at the end of "Sawdust & Diamonds" are the emotional center of the album for me.

Edward III (edward iii), Sunday, 19 November 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

thats also why "that's an awfully real gun" works so well

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Sunday, 19 November 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

is that the same gun as in happiness is a warm gun? i am shocked! ;-)

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Sunday, 19 November 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

(11) She is blurry.

ihttp://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b280/dotcomstock/2DSC01477.jpg

M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b280/dotcomstock/2DSC01477.jpg

M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

(12) She eats mic stands.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

(13) she has to wear that shit at night just to keep her teeth straight.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 20 November 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

(14) Poppycock.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 20 November 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

(11) She is blurry.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/JoannaNewsomHands.jpg
(12) She eats mic stands.

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)


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