Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

oasis is up alright

Obv oasis b-sides would be separate like

1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79 (seriously, who the fuck knows)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre (sadly fell by the wayside)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (voting just closed)
37. New Order - Bee OK (voting opens next week, presumably)
38. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy
39. Stax - seandalai
40. Disco - Tuomas
41. Jay-Z - some dude
42. The Clash - Gukbe
43. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope
44. Tom Waits - chap
45. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude (tentative)
46. Elvis Costello - kornrulez
47. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h
48. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom
49. Steely Dan - Bee OK
50. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra
51. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain
52. Outkast - The Reverend
53. Autechre - Leee
54. Brian Eno - WmC
55. Chic Organization - Donna Rouge
56. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom
57. Radiohead - nate woolls
58. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
59. P-Funk - Shakey Mo Collier
60. Iggy Pop, incl. Stooges - flopson
61. Boo Radleys - Bee OK
62. XTC - Shakey Mo Collier
63. Italo - daavid
64. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
65. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
66. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
67. The Doors - Ismael Klata
68. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
69. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
70. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
71. Pixies - Johnny Fever
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
76. Queen - charlie h
77. Dinosaur Jr. - Z S
78. Tom Petty - rogermexico
79. Elton John - Johnny Fever
80. Ramones - tipsy mothra (tentative)
81. Jimi Hendrix - WmC

oh shit Tuomas's disco poll -- I will be either participating or following closely now that I'm newly obsessed!

I was looking at the list and thinking how important Spotify has been to these polls, which is going to make Floyd a tough one.

pshaw

I hope "Epic" by Faith No More wins the "epics" poll

VG, you're newly obsessed with disco? <3<3<3

yes!!! i bought a basic disco comp yesterday and after googling around and following a few links I have been down a Larry Levan rabbithole for like, 24 hours and counting now

Disco's gonna be my favorite "learning & listening" poll.

Cooooool

Has Tuomas checked in lately? I'd hate to see the disco poll fizzle.

he showed up on the ILX Back to the Future thread the other day

hooray

I'm really looking forward to the disco one, but it'll be another where I'll feel I'm not doing it justice. There's just so much of it. I mean I know a fair bit and love loads, but every time I read about it I find out about not just great new records, but whole new brilliant subgenres.

I just know I'll end up feeling such a fool putting Kelly Marie at no.1

Disco poll will own.

37. New Order - Bee OK (voting opens next week, presumably)

this is happening. i feel so much pressure. i mean New Order is what of the bands that make ILM the best site on the internet.

shat one

ArchCarrier is rolling out SY results throughout the week -- I'd say start your engines anytime from Tuesday on.

Just have to figure out what else to put on my ballot after all nine tracks from Technique.

Down for New Order, I know like two songs by them and one might be Joy Division, this'll be a good chance to remedy that.

I will burn down ILM if "Regret" makes the top 20.

lol

get yr kerosene ready johnny, i'd guess 'regret' is a lock for top 20

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I will burn down ILM if "Regret" makes the top 20.

― Johnny Fever

Yeah it's not looking good for ILM. I'm probably revealing a bit of a spoiler here to where it might end up on my list, it's my second favourite song of all time.

Kinda sorta want the disco poll to open nominations now so everyone has a super duper long lead.

if i submitted a ballot for that poll "Regret" would be the only song on it

Oh shit, I hadn't realised along with New Order the next few polls include the Motown and disco ones. I better start revising now! No idea how I'm going to handle those.

I guess Tuomas needs to check in and give some details about how the disco poll is going to go. If anybody sees him post in the next few days, would you let him know he's up soon? I'm out of town and hate posting from the ipad.

yeah I foresee the need for militant border policing on that one

Not that I'm volunteering, but would there be any interest in a bluegrass and/or old timey poll? Mostly I want an excuse to finally explore it.

The way I thought the disco poll would work is that before the nomination thread I will compile a large list of classic tunes that are all eligible for voting, and on top of that there'll be nominations. This is to ensure no essential tunes are left out because no one remembered to nom them, but people's personal favourites are in too.

Also, this may be controversial, but I think "I Feel Love" would be disqualified from the poll, because if it's included, we all know it's gonna win. This would mean there'd more excitement about the #1, because there's no other super obvious winner.

Also I'm still not sure whether or not to have a cut-off year for the nominations. On the hand, I was considering that you can only vote for stuff released between 1973 and 1984, because pretty much all the classic disco tunes were released during that period, and the we wouldn't have to think whether house music or artists like Jamiroquai are valid. But on the other hand, that would leave out stuff like those new Tom Moulton remixes of classic Philly International tunes that came out a couple of years ago, and I think they should be included in the poll. Maybe a good compromise could be that you can nominate for newer remixes, as long as the original tune came out between 1973 and 1984?

Kinda sorta want the disco poll to open nominations now so everyone has a super duper long lead.

I've no problems starting the nomination thread early, I could probably do it this weekend (need to put that list of pre-nominated tunes together first), but I'm not sure if others are okay with this?

I'm OK, but what does everyone think about moving the genre polls to a different schedule? We could have a new artist poll every week, and aside from that genre polls which last a month or so.

I've no problem with that... With genre or label polls, the number of choices is so much bigger than with artists who released four or five albums, it seems logical the poll should run longer.

Also, the reason I think 1973 should be the earliest year for noms is because that's the year "TSOP (The Sound of Philadelphia)" and "Love is the Message" came out, and those are often considered to be the first proper disco tunes. (I know "Love Train" from 1972 is sometimes considered to be disco too, but it feels more like proto-disco soul to me.)

I don't think you need to worry too much about defining the genre or era - for anything to place it'll need six or seven votes, and that's not likely to happen for anything that isn't widely understood as 'disco'.

I agree with excluding I Feel Love.

ahaha the idea of excluding I Feel Love reminds me of that one Monty Python sketch: "i'm after the expurgated version of "Olsen's Standard Book of British Birds". the one without the gannet."

but yeah, probably a good idea.

I think it's rather ridiculous to exlude a song in a BEST OF DISCO poll, merely because it will do so well that it will probably win...

^ exactly

Yeah, I say include it and get excited about what's going to come second instead.

LBI beat me to it--wanted to advocate for inclusion of "I Feel Love" (which would be high on my own list, though not #1).

There've been lots of polls, music and film, where the #1 looked to be obvious. And most times, that's how it turned out--though not always. I would have bet real money that "Cortez the Killer" would take the Neil Young poll, but it finished second. "I Feel Love" would indeed probably win, but I wouldn't be shocked if "Good Times" or "You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)" or "Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough" or something else won instead. If it does win, great--as suggested above, the interesting thing then becomes what finishes second. But its absence would be jarringly conspicuous, and what significance would finishing first have anyway in a poll without "I Feel Love"?

xp I don't like the idea of excluding I Feel Love either - sometimes ILM comes up with wild #1s but that only feels meaningful when the game isn't rigged. Just count down from #51 or #101 instead of #50 or #100.

You could give "I Feel Love" slot #0, thereby confusing everyone when it seems, for a few minutes, to have missed the top 100 altogether.

"I Feel Love" won the general 70s poll, and IIRC it was in the top 5 in the top songs of the 20th century poll, so it seems obvious it will win this one too. The only way I can see it not winning if most of the votes come from obscurists, or those who love string disco and hate electronic disco, but this being ILX, I don't think it'll happen.

Anyway, another issue I was thinking of: should remixes count as separate tunes? In the 90s electronic music poll I did count them separately, but since most of the famous disco remixes are, essentially, extended edits, I'm not sure if they should be considered different tunes. OTOH, there are some well-known remixes, like the Patrick Cowley mix of "I Feel Love", or the Larry Levan mix of "Stand on the Word", which change the tune in significant ways.

Maybe limit the main poll to the original tunes, and have a side poll for remixes?

I agree that IFL should be included. Part of the stathead fun is in seeing the points jumps and the margins of victory, etc. One of the big surprises in Zep was that the #1 got almost 50% more points than the #2.

Thanks in advance for running this one, Tuomas.

xp good idea on remixes

In the case of Stand on the Word, the remix is the only one anyone knows iirc? Would be a pity to relegate it to a side poll. Cowley IFL feels like a unique case, I'd happily vote for it over OG IFL in the main poll.