Why Vinyl Can't Survive

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Well, they're both partially made of oil. That stuff seems to last forever!

But Ian, what happens when Robert Pollard finally runs out of spending money?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 August 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that McLuhan thing seemed to be an example of some logical fallacy.

― Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Thursday, 17 August 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

that's, like, three records a day, right? at NYC prices. for top-notch lonerfolkpsych rarities on the wall.

x-post to ian who is making brooklyn sink into the mud with the weight of his fleetwood mac demo bootlegs.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 17 August 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

dude, i took a tusk break for like two weeks and it was weird.

― the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Thursday, 17 August 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

i can't imagine every doing something because tiesto did it too

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 17 August 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

er, ever doing

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 17 August 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

To some extent doesn't the obsessive completist nature of music collectors come into play for many individuals who choose to collect vinyl? Compares these scenarios:

Person #1: "Yay, I just downloaded the entire Trapez catalogue. All that hard work was totally worth it!"

Person #2: "Yay, I just found that elusive Perlon 12” I've been looking for. Now I have every release. All that hard work was totally worth it!"

I dunno about anybody else, but the *feeling* I get from looking at a crate of records in the corner of my bedroom knowing full well the time and money spent searching for some of them is quite a bit more satisfying than looking at my hard drive full of mp3s, awesome though they may be.

― Trace Henry (Trace), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

Trace OTM.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

honestly, mp3s have made me buy more vinyl...it's kinda nice now, cuz i can buy something new on vinyl for home use than find it on the internet for my ipod....best of both worlds.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

I agree matt...if anything, mpfree's had caused me to stop buying CD's and use all my money on vinyl

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

the *feeling* I get from looking at a crate of records in the corner of my bedroom knowing full well the time and money spent searching for some of them is quite a bit more satisfying than looking at my hard drive full of mp3s, awesome though they may be

Personally I'd think, "Hey nice, now I can spend my time and money on stuff like, say, food. And travel. Etc." would trump said feeling several times over. At least that's how *I* feel!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

600 CD's = 6 feet of valuable Manhattan apartment space that I'm paying $600 extra for

600 Records = 6 months Club Play. I'm paid to change each song.

26,000 MP3's = 16 years of home listening. Software changes song for free

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

you have a cold hard heart though.

having said that, i certainly don't look back fondly on the time and money involved. i would be much happier if i had found them all in someone's basement for free. free records are the best. soon followed by records for a quarter, records for fifty cents, records for a dollar, etc.

x-post to ned the un-romantic.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

i just moved,or should i say paid the guys from the AA house around the corner 20 buxx each to heft many boxes down 3 flights of stairs to my new mega mall(347 warren st hudson ny)..they would have rather been hefting mp3s but u cant stop drinking and then not start cheap labor for hippies,i havent seen a slowdown in lps being bought and im in a micro market.even old dudes want recxords,they get all drunked up at th fancy restaurant and buy meditations mono coltrane records for 30 buxx from my wall and then prolly leave it in the car and never listen to it..i actually had a sheriff tell me he doubted my old landlord would want to take posession of my stuff cuzz it was too heavy to drag to a storage space.i dont sell new vinyl and am glad about that .otherwise i would be awash in get back reissues and espers jamz.vinyl cant survive rhetoric.vinyl cant survive sunshine.

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/66/217975405_9b9c2dcbca_o.jpg

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

those boxes of records make me think about death alot more than mp3's do.

exactly HOW LONG has the death of vinyl been predicted? i still think vinyl production will outlive CD production.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

you have a cold hard heart though.

Yay! Er, wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

whats so deathly bout a wall of wax?

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

you can't take it with you, unlike mp3s

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

man....i dunno...the other night i had a cocktail and listened to steely dan on vinyl. that's fucking life affirming as hell.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

ask any major dude, they'll tell you.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

12" 45RPM played on good needles through a good system = best sound ever, man

― Alicia Titsovich (sexyDancer), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

"dead records. does it not sound like dead men?"

the wall of wax (great pics btw) just makes me think about the pointlessness of accumulation & the inevitability of death. at least mp3's are already virtually nothing.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

vinyl will live on

tapes, on the other hand, I just chucked out a huge trash bag full of 'em

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

the wall of wax (great pics btw) just makes me think about the pointlessness of accumulation & the inevitability of death. at least mp3's are already virtually nothing.

easy bro, that's some heavy jive yr layin' down.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

fuck buddhism i want records.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

mp3s are the way to enlightenment, my brother.

there is no wishbone ash in the afterlife.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

"Have you ever thought that, like, our whole universe might be like one atom in the fingernail of this enormous being?"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/RussianRainbowGathering_4Aug2005.jpg/180px-RussianRainbowGathering_4Aug2005.jpg

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

i was over at wayne's house tonight, and man, i want his rekkerds big time. not all of them. but lots of them. i covet that shit in a big way. and meanwhile, he has like 10 zillion CDs and i don't want any of them. you know? unless i could trade them in for records. dude has thousands of dollars worth of singles crammed into this old moldy wooden box. i have half a mind to go over there and put new sleeves on them and clean them up and put them in proper boxes. oh yeah, i would! dangerhouse singles up the wazoo.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

wayne has a copy of this:

http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4795374289

i've never heard it! i still haven't. i'm gonna get him to make me a copy.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Have you ever thought that, like, our whole universe might be like one atom in the fingernail of this enormous being?"

M@TT, please keep in mind that cocktails are not smoked

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

can you get any of these on CD, cuz this is what i have been digging all week:

rough diamond - s/t

golden avatar - a change of heart

bell & james - only make believe

vance or towers - s/t (awesome rekkerd! 1975. A&M Records)

karen alexander - voyager (also awesome! elektra. 1978.)

tiger - goin' down laughing

trigger - s/t

john randolph marr - s/t (a nilsson house production. and nilsson fans would certainly dig it.)

susan barlow - s/t

romanelli - connecting flight

queen samantha - the letter

the reggie knighton band - s/t

the max demian band - take it to the max (i would definitely buy this on cd. my copy is kinda crappy.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

thats why u have to have at least one kinderspring in yur lifetime.both me and skot have children that will be th recipients of lots of records.so th cycle of life goes on .and pointlessness becomes points.talking points at partys."u know what my fucking dad did instead of leaving me a huge sum of money?he left me thousands of fucking records!!fuck him"..i just bougfht 2500 house records and i dont even like house.or more apt i know nothing about house.

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

i bought rufus 15 trucker/truckdriving comps. minty shape. he dug them. so did i. i gotta get him his own player. he broke the one i gave him when he was just a toddler. he could handle it now.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://teamabunai.org/segfault/images/burning_turntable.jpg

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Friday, 18 August 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.vinylinterventions.com/graphics/BROKEN_MUSIC/085.jpg

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Friday, 18 August 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.vinylinterventions.com/graphics/BROKEN_MUSIC/037.jpg

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Friday, 18 August 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

dan, lovely accidental photocollage above

― mentalismé (sanskrit), Friday, 18 August 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

why 3500 dollar preamps can't survive:

http://www.needledoctor.com/s.nl;jsessionid=ac112b791f43d48b52deeb8e4799a189daca6ed5666d.e3eTaxeKbh0Te38Kah8MahqSbx90n6jAmljGr5XDqQLvpAe?it=A&id=7481&sc=2&category=401

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

15,000 dollar turntables can't win!:

http://www.needledoctor.com/s.nl/it.A/id.680/.f?sc=2&category=791

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

so cool:

http://www.roksan.co.uk/Radius5Photos/radius5_01_JPG.html

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

$73,750 turntable:

http://stereophile.com/turntables/258/

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

wtf?:

http://www.needledoctor.com/s.nl/it.A/id.1973/.f?sc=2&category=45

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

el cheapo origami version

http://www.simonelvins.com/paper_record.html

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

This dude owns one!

http://cgi.audioasylum.com/systems/663.html

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

that is a scary-ass room. you would think he could afford a better carpet. doesn't the carpet muffle his acooooooooooooustics? i just want his records.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

Construction of "the audio barn" details here:

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue16/lavigneroom.htm

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

audiophiles are such dorks.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

A friend--a mastering and recording engineer with an exceptionally good studio system that includes Aerial 10Ts--came over with Sting's Nothing Like the Sun. He swore that he knew every lick and musical note on "Englishman in New York," and wanted to hear what $75,000 got you. At the end, he knew. "I heard licks I never knew were there, and now I know what brand of skins were on those drums. I never could tell that before."

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

A conductor friend (who is also an audiophile) brought over a few of his own recordings to listen to... now here is someone with a correct reference. After an hour or so and three or four of his recordings, he turned to me and said, "Yes, that is the way it was."

So great...it's like when the Pope gave his blessing to The Passion of the Christ. "It is as it was," baby.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

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PBKR - I got the AT-LP120X with Bluetooth. figured it might be nice to have that so I can use headphones since I sit about 15 feet away. I've heard a lot of good things about that turntable, pretty much everyone says it's a great entry/midlevel one for those who don't want to break the bank

those cleaning products drive me crazy, there are just so fucking many of them. I have the D4+ discwasher system which doesn't do much (just kinda pushes the dirt around), plus one of those brushses that's pretty decent at removing debris. for cleaning the stylus I just do the Magic Eraser thing, though I'm kind of confused, do you just tap the surface or does it actually have to penetrate the surface? (I've seen YT videos showing both)

― frogbs, Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:40 (five years ago)

I use the Magic Eraser on my stylus too; I just drop the needle on the eraser for maybe a second once or twice, and then lift it off. Can't remember where I read about that method, but it seems to work, and a few times I've seen dirt from the stylus left on the Eraser.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:44 (five years ago)

I have one of those zerodust gel things from Japan, it’s pretty sweet

― brimstead, Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:52 (five years ago)

this is the best brush I’ve used for picking up dust:

https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/at6012

― brimstead, Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:02 (five years ago)

although I read somewhere last year that AT started to cheap out on materials so the new ones aren’t as good lol :-/

― brimstead, Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:03 (five years ago)

I got the AT-LP120X with Bluetooth.

AT turntables are supposed to be pretty good and totally classic.

― Rocky Thee Stallion (PBKR), Friday, 12 February 2021 00:15 (five years ago)

one month passes...

https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/first-vinyl-record-plant-factory-20329690

the last piece of news i expected to be reading today was a new vinyl plant opening in my shithole of a hometown. this is most curious. i was under the assumption that there are very few plants left operating internationally. at any rate, wonderful news

― maelin, Saturday, 10 April 2021 13:16 (five years ago)

that’s awesome

― brimstead, Saturday, 10 April 2021 16:26 (five years ago)

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