― Lord Custos III, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
(How would we separate the outsiderism of both Axl and Moz? Axl's was the outsiderism of being inside, of being typical and thus anonymous, and it was the outsiderism of entry, of proving worth and breaking from anonymity by "taking over." Moz's outsiderism was the outsiderism of difference, an outsiderism that theoretically linked all the different into a viable and separate community.)
― nabisco%%, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
The difference is enormous and the two have nothing in common. Guns n Roses = bad stadium band, largely seen as a joke.
The Smiths = most important British band of the past 20 years.
Maybe you need to be American to see something in common, but as a British (Scottish) person at the time of the early 90s I can ASSURE you the kids who liked Guns n Roses were denying all knowledge of having any such CD in their collection as they hit puberty and, yes, discovered Nirvana.
― Calum Robert, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kris, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Maybe they were welcome in the American music climate at the time, but we had The Stone Roses, Morrissey and The Happy Mondays to brigthen up the charts back then.
I will say this as well - The Manics are not best suited to be compared to Guns n Roses either. A far better band that changed lives and kicked ass on stage. When they were good at least, but that's another thread surely!?!?
― Melissa W, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos IV (, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tim DiGravina, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― geeta, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Your brother scares me.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Arthur, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Senor Pulpo, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
the simpsons
We have a winner!
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Siegbran Hetteson, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Sorry but this is the funniest thing I've ever read. Are you American by any chance?
― Calum Robert, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― axl rose, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― fritz, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Nor am I actually slagging of yanks, although I did have the experience of living with three culturally/ socially inept ones (2 from Texas) a short while ago. That was in England, actually, and they were seen as twats. Although that isn't neccessarily cos they are American.
Point is - Americans do tend to like really crap stadium rock. Some Brits lap it up as well. Just America seems more guity.
That other thread is indeed really funny - I imagine the chap who wrote that is a handsome, sexy and highly intelligent individual.
― g, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Ha ha apparently we share a brother (mine was the treasurer, and he embezzeled a bunch of money to pay for private parties and satellite pirating equipment), though I'd never think of trying to turn him onto anything "weird" except drugs. I took him to this britpop club once and he was baffled by the fact that the girl he was hitting on the whole time turned out to be a lesbian. I think if I were a few years younger, I might have been into the bhangra/hip hop scene too, but I think I just preceded it.
― Kris, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
And Axl was hardly androgynous. He looked like a walking thug.
And The Smiths never recorded National Front Disco, it was Morrissey solo and Morrissey solo vs The Smiths is a whole other issue.
― Lord Custos III, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
a WALKING thug you say?
― Bob Zemko, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― tnd, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
xp But to then wrap oneself in the flag, in the full knowledge of the type of audience you're in front of, seems ill-advised at best, and extremely dodgy at worst.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
Suggs from Madness was like best friends with the dude from Skrewdriver right? I thought Madness had a lot of ties to WP skinhead stuff under the surface
Well, there was a rumour that he'd been friends with a guy from Skrewdriver, not the main guy, but who knows? And a lot of Madness' early fans were skinheads so, given that scene at the time, it's likely there were a few wrong 'uns among them.
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not gonna post stuff from skrewdriver bio sites, but anyway i found a bunch of wiki stuff that said suggs worked as a roadie for skrewdriver and when suggs moved out to his own house the ian main dude took his old room and lived with sugg's mom in her house for a while
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
(i guess that was "stuff" i meant links)
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
Wow.
"Sorry to bother you, Mrs McPherson, but do you think could you turn down that recording of Hitler's address to the Reichstag please? I can't hear what Shaw Taylor's saying on Police 5."
"Oh sorry love, that's the lodger, what's he like? He does love 'is Adolf, bless 'im!"
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
By the way, from Shaw Taylor's wiki page:
Taylor was a boyhood friend of the writer Anthony Burgess, who published his novella A Clockwork Orange in 1962, the same year Police 5 was first broadcast. The novella's central character - Alexander the Large - was said to be loosely based on Taylor, who was interested in violent crime from a very early age and also had a rare gift for the English language, as demonstrated by his "Keep 'em peeled" catchphrase.
... this is surely bollocks? Taylor is from Hackney and Burgess was a Manc for starters.
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
If it hadn't already been done to death, I'd have launched a Smiths website. But too many already. So I decided instead to launch a website around the music of two other great songwriters - Cathal Coughlan and Sean O'Hagan. On https://coughlanohagan.com/, I think I'm building up something worthwhile. Hope you enjoy it.
― weirwrite, Saturday, 23 May 2020 06:52 (four years ago) link
I'd think American Music Club might fit the bill. Arch self deprecating lyricist over classic melodic rock though there's a lot more country in it alongside Nick Drake and stuff.Singer even came out of the closet later but is thankfully not a rabid patriot or xenophobe.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 23 May 2020 07:01 (four years ago) link