amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

In the '70s, Robert Plant was a golden god...imagine if he'd had a tip jar!

it just breaks her heart to see cult icons drudge their way through capitalism when they could just pass the collection plate

I would donate to The Cure's Kickstarter project in a heartbeat

hell, I would look for a level that allowed me to sit in on a studio session and figure out how to shuffle finances so my wife didn't notice I'd spent tens of thousands of dollars on the band in one fell swoop (at this point I've at least spent thousands of dollars on them)

In the '70s, Robert Plant was a golden god...imagine if he'd had a tip jar!

He sort of did, but it was not a "jar," if you get my drift.

also wasn't just the tip

he had a tadpole jar

it's really appropriate that neil gaiman's wife would be looking out for minor deities

both dream of a magical sphere of people who walk among the rest of us

The thing is, she's probably correct that it would be lucrative for Morrissey. However, it doesn't follow that she would need to assist in any way to make it happen. I read her letter as saying basically, "Hey I have this great idea for you Morrissey, and you can use it so long as I get a slice of the action." It's ridiculously presumptuous of her to think that Morrissey would let her step in and start managing how he funds and sells his products.

of course it would be lucrative - how can taking advantage of people's obsession with you NOT be lucrative? she just realizes that other cult leaders might need some help learning how to ACT like cult leaders

it's really appropriate that neil gaiman's wife would be looking out for minor deities

― da croupier, Monday, April 29, 2013 10:04 AM (6 minutes ago)

lol

to be clear, I think everyone should feel free to pre-sell their work at ridiculous prices on kickstarter, i just find palmer's evangelism and extensions of the concept amazing

considering how EXCITED she is for popular artists to reap the whirlwind and drain the devoted for every dollar they'd give, i'm not shocked that she's had some experience with the cult that believes celebrities are the chosen few

i just skimmed it but as far as i can tell the only place where she indicates she would be involved at all is where she says "But I’d be totally keen to help you crowdfund" at the end. she doesn't say anything at all akin to "Hey I have this great idea for you Morrissey, and you can use it so long as I get a slice of the action."

she sucks but i don't really see anything too offensive or awful in this letter.

yeah n/a OTM; my only question was why she published an open letter rather than trying to contact Morrissey's management directly and then I remembered "oh right, attention; lol"

Like I said on FB, my real problem here would be if this resulted in a duet.

yeah n/a OTM; my only question was why she published an open letter rather than trying to contact Morrissey's management directly and then I remembered "oh right, attention; lol"

It's just like a sad stab for attention/love from Morrissey fans.

it's a truism from politics that 'open letters' are written by people who have zero leverage over the issue or people addressed

i don't think the letter is offensive or awful per se, just a hilarious extension of her beliefs - "look, if you other drama club icons don't understand how to do turn the fanatic vacuum cleaner on I'LL DO IT FOR YOU"

She's not 'looking out' for anybody, this is just a advert for herself. AFP: How Kickstarter Can Make You Millions motivational talk series 2014 for booking contact loveequalsdonat✧✧✧@googleyourselfda✧✧✧.c✧✧

It's also relevant to point out that a man who can book out a few suites at Claridges to put up himself and friends whenever he's in London is maybe not someone who needs Kickstarter.

no one needs kickstarter. depending on how you look at it, it's either a place to pre-sell goods or a place to offer investment opportunities with extremely limited rewards. oh, and there's no promise you'll actually get what you pay for.

still waiting on the one project i ever gave $20 to

I mean, the content of 90% of that article is Amanda Palmer and 10% Morrisey. The only times Morrisey is actually mentioned by name it is at the end of a Dresden Dolls anecdote and then when AFP wishes he could have read her Twitter.

xp: you should drop Deakin a line

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmIBGnOA25QsHpGDCXTGQHt4V87e1XIEtK2E28dSix8roAK4LX

I think someone who has even a vague working knowledge of Morrissey knows that he would not want to do anything for himself, this really was more like an Amanda Palmer infomercial.

xpost haha i knew that was coming

pretty curious whether the kickstarter money for veronica mars is going to the show creator or straight to warner bros, and if it's the latter, whether they have to mark that as investment income or unearned sales income (since everybody gets the movie and posters and shit) but that's a topic for I Love Accounting

can't believe she didn't throw in at least a smidge of controversy in that letter. she's slipping. maybe a little p.s. about keeping England pure and burning down discos or something.

straight up reveling in the fact that crowdsourcing is a good way to exploit fanaticism for profit

― da croupier, Monday, April 29, 2013 7:49 AM (1 hour ago)

uh, i think you mean "straight up reveling in the healthy outlet she grants fanatics"

for profit

so is... selling records?

saying "you should crowdsource!" is like saying "you should tour!" or "you should make videos!" - there's this "I love this! DO THIS!! THERE'S MONEY!!!" aspect to this thing that's annoying in the extreme. Not everybody wants to make their business public. I can't imagine Morrissey feeling good about crowdsourcing, aesthetically it's just got an inherent ick factor, though also he has debts iirc so I can see him giving up.

also Morrissey hasn't collaborated with anybody at all in forever? if ever? (with Siouxsie evidently ages ago; their choice of unison over harmony is lols for days imo)

lol at "healthy outlet"

do either of them ever sing in harmony?

I would bet five bucks that Morrissey is musically incapable of harmonizing

if you want some cheap lols, search #MorrsseyKickstarter on Twitter </IWroteSomeOfTheTweets>

xp: Kirstey MacColl sang in harmony with him on "Ask" but that was probably overdubbed

their choice of unison over harmony is lols for days imo

ha that is great

it sounds like morrissey is trying to harmonize here but really he's just flailing about looking for a counterpoint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSpsc67Zm-I

Siouxsie sings harmonies and countermelodies all the time, going back to "Mirage" off of The Scream

ah ok. it's just been a long time since I listened to Siouxsie I guess.

I'm guessing Siouxsie tracked first and Morrissey did what he could i.e. sing the exact same melodic line. I don't consider Siouxsie a terrific singer but I do think she's got more interesting musical ideas and a better grasp of them than Morrissey

harmonizing isn't Siouxsie's raison d'être but she'll bust it out from time to time

mozz's real issue with live aid revealed

I mean go back to "Kiss The For Me", she switches back and forth between straight doubling and harmony all over that song; in fact, one of the cool musical developments of the song is how she drops in little harmony bits here and there, in the chorus and at the end of the second verses and in the song's denouement on the "I will be delayed" chord buildup... it's definitely there, just not full on like yr average pop song.

yeah, now I realize she does it, I just for a moment couldn't recall any of the tracks where she multitracked vocals. I even forgot about "Spellbound."

"also Morrissey hasn't collaborated with anybody at all in forever? if ever?"

mary margaret o'hara!

she kinda counts. i don't even know if they ever met in real life.

if he took her up on the offer, would she be willing to work for hugs & beer?