New Scott Walker album: 'The Drift'

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Clara P., Friday, 7 April 2006 06:09 (twenty years ago)

I don't hear a single ;-)

Scott fan, Friday, 7 April 2006 07:34 (twenty years ago)

(I think his vocal on "Clara" is one of his best in years)

Well, to be precise, it's one of his only vocals in years!

I listened to "Tilt" recently for the first time in ages, it's an album that gets less impressive the more you listen to it. Still looking forward to the new 'un tho, of course!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 7 April 2006 08:11 (twenty years ago)

it's an album that gets less impressive the more you listen to it

Do tell — I've been listening to it the last few days myself...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Well, it's a personal opinion, but for something that was so painstakingly put together it seems, well, kind of sloppy. The songs are too long for the most part, the kind of pop instincts that Scott had (even on "Climate of Hunter") whereby the music, and not just the words, had no extra flab is often missing - songs drag on for 7 or 8 minutes when there's no real reason why they should (I'm trying very hard not to use the dread word, "self-indulgent"). Also, melodically, some of the songs are bit too close to songs on "Climate" for comfort. It sounds great of course.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:33 (twenty years ago)

We will all have our own ideas and connect with it in many different ways... on many different levels...Jesse.... one personal tragedy for a family... the twin towers thousands of personal tragedies, form many families?? Clara made me cry.....

Geri

Geraldine McGuckin (2raggedsoldiers), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Tilt had the opposite effect for me, its withstood hundreds of listens, primarily on the basis of the music and the melodies- I really like the melodic style he adopted on this album (the "rock lieder" it has been called) I find myself singing little snippets of it all the time. I don't find the songs overlong (except maybe "bouncer see bouncer"- a bit of an endurance test, but such oppressiveness is great... the displeasure at hearing a song stretched out to the point where there is only one short burst of chord changes in a whole 8 minute piece is quite something). And tracks 1,2,7,8,9 are all pure pleasure. Its not a great effort for the most part to listen to Tilt, I liked it immediately and continue to gain immediate melodic pleasure from it. The scale of some of the songs is a plus, but I guess a taste for giganticism is necessary there (one which I know many people do not have). I find "Climate" to be very good in parts, but the 80sish rock and horrendous solos on three of the tracks scupper it a bit. Scott's move to a more "timeless" approach I think is a good step, not classicism as such but rather constructing something that won't date. 11 years later I still listen to Tilt, I don't listen to any other albums from the 90s without cringing in parts ---"we thought this was the future then?".

gek-opel, Friday, 7 April 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Amateurist0: I see it more as an eisegesis to be honest, and whats wrong with that?

gek-opel, Friday, 7 April 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

This is 2006's experimental blockbuster (in a good way).

snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 7 April 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm tricked into this record while I was preparing myself to hate it , mainly because of the spinal tap-esque BBC thing.

snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 7 April 2006 18:39 (twenty years ago)

What- these slabs of pork go up to 11 or what?

gek-opel, Friday, 7 April 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Mind tricked by a musical abbatoir? tsk tsk

PaulBaran, Friday, 7 April 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

I've been playing this non-stop. I really like it. Can't wait to get the actual cd or maybe even vinyl if I can.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Saturday, 8 April 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Yeah... my mp3s are murky to say the least... will be good to get it legit... feared i might burn out on it by weeks end, but its dismal pleasures are still so inviting...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Saturday, 8 April 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Don't hear a single? Here I was going to talk about the joys of "Cossacks Are" as a single, and Pitchfork had to hit it first.

Seeing that "Jesse" has a visual element all prepared for the upcoming doc, who would direct the video for "Cossacks Are" aside from SW himself?

Erick H (Erick H), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

I still can't find it on SS MAC. What is the release date?

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:46 (twenty years ago)

You would have to be cracked out of yr mind to imagine there was an actual honest-to-god chart-bothering single on here... tho for fans of this kind of thing, yeh, Cossacks is direct (tho obtuse) enough, yes?

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:54 (twenty years ago)

release date may 8th

http://www.4ad.com/releases/

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 8 April 2006 20:13 (twenty years ago)

http://www.chrisconnelly.com/interact/boards/viewtopic.php?t=161

for those interested in analysis found this disection of the lyrics for "Tilt" in an old ILM discussion....

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:00 (twenty years ago)

could be my imagination, but in cossacks are it seems like he's actually being quite ironic/witty about his work/how this album will likely be received/him being a man out of time!

boychild, Monday, 10 April 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Yes! I got that half impression too, like he's writing his own review or something... but that could be a mishearing, I can't actually make out all the lyrics... "has absence ever sounded... so eloquent, so sad....". Pretty meta if that is what he's on about... I supsect it will be more torture and death tho...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:50 (twenty years ago)

"Cossacks Are" lyrics (pulled from the 4AD bio, format and all "typos" intact):

'A moving aria
for a vanishing
style of mind'

'A noble debut
tackling vertiginous
demands'

'Has absence ever
sounded so eloquent
so sad
I doubt it?'

With an arm
across the
torso

Face on
the nails

With an arm
across the
torso

Face on
the pale
monkey
nails

'Touching in the
shattered lives
it unearths'

'A nocturne
filled with
glorious ideas'

'A chilling
exploration
of erotic
consumption'

With an arm
across the
torso

Face on
the nails

With an arm
across the
torso

Face on
the pale
monkey
nails

Cossacks are
charging in

Charging into
fields of
white roses

Cossacks are
charging in

Charging into
fields of
white roses

"That's a
nice suit"
"That's a
swanky suit"

"Been a pope
like no other"

"I'm looking
for a good
cowboy"

'A rare outcry
makes you lead
a larger life'

'You could easily
picture this in
the current top
ten'

'Medieval savagery
calculated cruelty'

'Its hard to pick
the worst moment'

'Its hard to pick
the worst moment'

With an arm
across the
torso

Face on
the nails

With an arm
across the
torso

Face on
the pale
monkey
nails

Erick H (Erick H), Monday, 10 April 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Yup -- sounds like an industry piss-take to me...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:00 (twenty years ago)

could be my imagination, but in cossacks are it seems like he's actually being quite ironic/witty about his work/how this album will likely be received/him being a man out of time!

i totally agree with this assessment, though sw himself denied it.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 01:39 (twenty years ago)

did he offer an alternative explanation?

having read the lyrics and the notes now, i'm even less inclined to believe there is a meaning to be extracted from most of these songs now. he may say, or have once said, that every

boychild, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 04:04 (twenty years ago)

oops...

that every moment--music, lyrics--of each song is intended to convey a specific meaning. but if that's really the case, that meaning is so hidden/recessive that it will never be available to anyone other than scott himself

boychild, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 04:06 (twenty years ago)

although of course we are free to project our meanings--aka "different levels"--onto the songs

boychild, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 04:07 (twenty years ago)

Reading the lyrics for "Cossacks Are" at first glance...they're obviously cut ups.
The lyrics in quotations are straight from newspaper articles & book reviews.

(Reuters Tuesday, February 22, 2005)
Bush was asked by a French reporter if relations were now good enough for Bush to invite Chirac to his Crawford, Texas, and ranch, an honour bestowed by Bush on his closest allies.

"I'm looking for a good cowboy," Bush responded.

(Guardian Unlimited book review/The Pope in Winter: The Dark Face of John Paul II's Papacy
Saturday February 12, 2005)
John Paul II, the Polish pope, born Karol Wojtyla 84 years ago in Wadowice, is perhaps the most extraordinary and influential Christian of modern times. He has "been a pope like no other": not just because of his longevity; not just for supplanting the centuries-old tradition that popes must be Italian;....

(Sunday Times book review /Slavenka Drakuliæ :The Taste of a Man
Abacus March 1998)
'Astonishingly sensuous... a chilling exploration of erotic consumption... engrossing' -- Sunday Times

An easy google search will back up these results.

tizolite, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 09:21 (twenty years ago)

Here is another news bite :

(BBC news /Tuesday, 12 February, 2002/ "Milosevic accused of 'medieval savagery")
Prosecutor Carla Del Ponte:
"Some of the incidents revealed an almost medieval savagery and a calculated cruelty that went far beyond the bounds of legitimate warfare"

tizolite, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:03 (twenty years ago)

Yup -- sounds like cut ups to me...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:46 (twenty years ago)

Bingo.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:54 (twenty years ago)

although of course we are free to project our meanings--aka "different levels"--onto the songs

As we are for every other song ever as well.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 13:04 (twenty years ago)

Has anybody here seen this?

The Drift (1989). Directed by John Aes-Nihil, based on the Tennessee Williams novel.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0183015/fullcredits

His website Archives of Aesthetic Nihilism looks interesting
http://www.aes-nihil.com/

Scott fan, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 13:49 (twenty years ago)

intriguing... why has he selected these fragments... what do the Cossacks and monkey nails have to do with these extracts from reviews and interviews?? Probably using extracts from sources irrespective of the content per se, in order to find the language and grammar necessary to comment on something else (his explanation for "the cockfighter").

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Hey, ILM. Thanks to you all, and also thanks to stumbling across some video of the Walker Bros. doing "Take It Easy...", I have become a HUGE fan of Scott Walker in the last - oh - two months? Thanks a million. Like I needed another musical hero to go nuts about. *smile*

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)

the packaging for these LPs is really extravagant.

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

you're telling me, ian!

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

not surprising, given that this record came with more press material than I've ever seen

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

i feel like a whole forest was destroyed for the insert alone.

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Scott will write an agonised multi-narrative song about it using excerpts from his reviews for "The Drift"...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

dig new scott lyrix fresh from his webermanized trash

dadmomsis
driving in
the black car

dadmomsis
sighting on
the white line

long come something
in a blinding
light

long gone something
in a blinding
light

dead all dead
ooh all dead

dead all dead
ooh all dead

bloody foot
bloody head

eat the nose
for christmas

eat the toes
for lent

eat the car
for eat-a-car

send the bones
to kent

Cap'n Groovy, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:50 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone know if it's actually Scott going off at the end of "The Escape" quacking like a duck!? Jesus Christ!

Robert Nedelkoff did an incredible interpretation of Tilt's lyrics in the zine Nestful of Ninnies I believe, I hope he posts his readings on this album somewhere. Hearing Scott Walker croon "pee-pee my pants" has to be one of the most bizarre musical moments of the year.

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 00:10 (twenty years ago)

It's "the pee-pee soaked trousers" HTH.

Been listening to this a whole lot over the last week. On first listen it sounded kind of flat and, well, slightly disappointing. As noted upthread, very monotonous melody lines. Took me about 6 plays to really warm up to it - but, I am now LOVING this record.

Put 'Tilt' on this evening, and it sounded lush and wondrous like a Burt Bacharach album.

Big Chief I-Spy, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 01:43 (twenty years ago)

more web/trash

blank mumble
blat babble
song babble

song foaming
at the mouth

won ton
soupie

spit gargle
retch easter
bunny juke

puke

family zoo
me and
you moo

moo moo

the beast
is loose
least
is best

pee pee maw maw

Cap'n Groovy, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 02:28 (twenty years ago)

Put 'Tilt' on this evening, and it sounded lush and wondrous like a Burt Bacharach album.

It is very funny how pretty and accessible Tilt sounds next to this!

Tilt is still his best album for me. But this is close.

boychild, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 03:01 (twenty years ago)

Whoops, "pee-pee soaked trousers" sorry. Yes, on repeated listens it's really better and better. I sorta found it a bit less harrowing than Tilt; it's not as sonicly dense maybe because it makes a bit more use of silence to drive the point home, plus there are some more humorous moments to alleviate the tension. But those moments also add to the fucked-up atmosphere of the whole event which may be even more disturbing. In the BBC TV footage they show Scott slapping a mic'd side of bacon in the studio in rhythm, and I am taking an educated guess that this is what you are hearing during a passage of just voice and percussion in "Hand Me Ups." But there are so many surprises out of nowhere sound-wise, I totally agree with the Xenakis references, definitely Ligeti as well.

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 03:04 (twenty years ago)

High brow wank material for the Observer readers - the old Scott rocked.

Mathilde, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 09:56 (twenty years ago)

Backlash! :) (and just on time too, before the actual release.)

Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 10:13 (twenty years ago)

Hi Brian,


I thought he might be using the slabs of pork on " Clara" to simulate the crowd's beating of the strung up corpses of Clara Pettaci and Mussollini. Can anyone hear the African/Arabic wailing on " Hands me Up", it adds a nice touch of chaos to the sonic clash and clang. There are more " external" vocal elements (very subtle) on The Drift... as is in the case of " Buzzers".. that sound " Gidda, Gidda, Gidda" after the " stick the fork in him line".

He repeats a lot of animal imagery here as he did on Tilt... with sparrows (Another Pasolini reference), Donkey's, Horses, Crocodiles, and of course ducks. The sexual imagery is more overt with references in " Cue" to clit and Hepatitus... that fine line between animalistic savagery/auto erotic restraint.

PaulBaran, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 12:25 (twenty years ago)

Has there been talk of performing the new album live? I seem to remember an interview from a few years back touching on the subject.

Scott fan, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 12:59 (twenty years ago)


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