defend the indefensible: Hall and Oates

banaka should weigh in on this

hall & oates more like hall and butts

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In the 80s we had Hall and Oates
Today we have drones

now we've got no hall and no oates

suspecterrain,

Perhaps I am misreading you. But your contributions to this thread and the Spotify one read to me like pure trolling. Most people come to boards like ILM to share their views and knowledge of music -- and to add to them by learning something. You seem dead set on letting everyone know how much you know -- and how superior that knowledge is to everyone else's.

You also appear to lack a sense of humor.

you're suspect

under two different names i have been posting to this board for over 10 years. my initial post here and on the Spotify thread were simple statements of my opinion; that individuals used them to make indiscriminate conclusions and remarks about me as a person is something i fail to find significant humor in. I don't think less of people for liking this music, or black-eyed peas or lady gaga; but i certainly believe that this venue should be more than capable of discussing these topics on many levels. Nowhere have i stated that i am "right" and you are "wrong" -- i'm simply offering my personal standpoint -- just like in the Spotify thread; tried it, didn't like the commercials, opted instead for grooveshark. If i were trolling i would likely have made some asinine statement that grouped users of Spotify (or any other streaming service) are complete idiots -- i did not -- i stated my opinion and then had to defend myself against accusations that i was somehow a degenerate because i didn't see the value in a streaming service. Seems you might have this thing the wrong way round.

this kind of asinine statement?

Personally, i blame the fickle money-grubbing nature of the commercial media that drove these tracks to be slathered over the airwaves, and the empty-headed buying populace that made these mega stars.

If you've been on this board ten years, then you might have seen the futility of positing binaries like "art" vs "product"

if you don't like commerce probly best not listen to music

or engage with cultural products at all really

You may or may not be trolling but I think you may have missed out on a transformation or reappropriation of the "Defend the Indefensible" concept - - - for me this kind of thread has always been about rehabilitating artists that are widely considered "indefensible." Obviously many such threads are just heaping abuse on easy targets, but others are a resource for discovering a way into bands you otherwise might not have rated.

If you have been posting here for over ten years, then surely you can't think we're all strangers to arguments dismissing popular music on the basis that it is popular (ie commercial, marketable, catchy, whatever). xxxposts

To return to the subject of cooperation. It may be a curious speculation ot attend to the progressive steps, by which this feature of human society may be expected to decline. For example: shall we have concerts of music? The miserable state of mechanism of the majority of the performers, is so conspicuous, as to be, even at this day, a topic of mortification and ridicule. Will it not be practicable hereafter for one man to perform the whole? Shall we have theatrical exhibitions? This seems to include an absurd and vicious cooperation. It may be doubted, whether men will hereafter come forward in any mode, formally to repeat words and ideas that are not their own? It may be doubted, whether any musical performer will habitually execute the compositions of others? We yield supinely to the superior merit of our predecessors, because we are accustomed to indulge the inactivity of our faculties. All formal repetition of other men's ideas, seems to be a scheme for imprisoning, for so long a time, the operations of our own mind. It borders perhaps, in this respect, upon a breach of sincerity, which requires that we should give immediate utterance to every useful and valuable idea that occurs.

William Godwin agrees with you and he was quite cool tho

You also, in those 10 years, might have picked up that what Ned and I wrote here was pretty mild

blame it on 'terrain

You may have been more convincing had you compard H&O unfavorably to some other 80s pop artist, but since you just talked about product and inept consumers it leads me to believe that you probably hate pop music in general. An attitude more fitting for RYM boards than ILM.

Compared

i for one welcome our new leader suspecterrain

haha buzza

i think it's great when a time-served member takes a big step out into the limelight

valuable old poster!

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more like

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if you don't like commerce probly best not listen to music...or engage with cultural products at all really

this kind of asinine statement? -- Noodle

the futility of positing binaries like "art" vs "product" -- Lord Sotosyn

You may have been more convincing had you compared H&O unfavorably to some other 80s pop artist, but since you just talked about product and inept consumers it leads me to believe that you probably hate pop music in general. An attitude more fitting for RYM boards than ILM.

for me this kind of thread has always been about rehabilitating artists that are widely considered "indefensible." Obviously many such threads are just heaping abuse on easy targets, but others are a resource for discovering a way into bands you otherwise might not have rated. ― Doctor Casino

jeez u really are a pompous ass

*genuflects*

Pop music in itself is not dis-satisfying, but i tend to feel that it best serves children, the infirm, and neophytes.
Pop music in itself is not dis-satisfying, but i tend to feel that it best serves children, the infirm, and neophytes.
Pop music in itself is not dis-satisfying, but i tend to feel that it best serves children, the infirm, and neophytes.
Pop music in itself is not dis-satisfying, but i tend to feel that it best serves children, the infirm, and neophytes.

suspecterrain can you recommend a city in the us w/ an outlaw country format radio station and the opportunity to 'participate' in a mississippi field holler? also could you tell me how hall and oates and abba work similar terrain? still waiting on that non-formulaic music recommendation also. also, since you've been here ten years apparently, how giddy did you get when you realized today was the day someone finally noticed you? also this: most are only willing to discuss the merits of which topics need to be discussed and not so much on the topic itself - am i looking at actual irony here or is this straight trolling here?

i number myself among the infirm, for the record

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"Pop music in itself is not dis-satisfying, but i tend to feel that it best serves children, the infirm, and neophytes."

also those of ill-breeding and poorly-formed brainpan.

see i was thinking more tom townshend but i think you're right, the tone is taylor nichols

Of course you'd say that Hall and Oates are good. You have the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter.

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"Also, i'm not a pop hater; radio can make any type of music unlistenable if they play it too often; i mean, flip through the dial of your areas classic rock stations and you can pretty much guarantee that you'll find one of a very short list of Zeppelin/Floyd/AD-DC tracks (seriously, does it ALWAYS have to be "Wish You Were Here" and "Money")?"

hahaha thank you so much

i thought neophyte was a scene from The Matrix tbh

Tom Townsend seemed kinda otm. i was thinking about this:

Audrey Rouget: What Jane Austen novels have you read?
Tom Townsend: None. I don't read novels. I prefer good literary criticism. That way you get both the novelists' ideas as well as the critics' thinking. With fiction I can never forget that none of it really happened, that it's all just made up by the author.

well novels at one time were dismissed as the pastime of women and children. dunno about neophytes or the infirm.

Okay what the shit happened here.

And who is suspecterrain really, then? Because even Startrekman is in on the joke.

i am on iphone in taco shop. "i can't go for that" just came on the radio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

people are dancing on tables

tell us about Lionel Richie, Ned

xpost haha

Love will conquer all.

Lionel Richie is A Man. He sings about things.

and you looooooooooooooove him and you want to maaaarrrrry him

Don't we all. For we are truly in love. With you, Grrl.