...All night long
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
"Formulaic" is the last word I would use to describe "Delayed Reaction" or "Say It Isn't So." It sounds like you've deemed yourself an expert on this band after becoming familiar with about 8 of their biggest songs. H&O doesn't get nearly enough credit for stretching their influences outside of what was expected... I'm surprised "Crime Pays" hasn't been sampled anywhere in hiphop (as far as I know)... And "Gotta Notta Nerve" is easily the best Devo knock-off I've ever heard.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
This is "formulaic"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lagKbNP7SvU
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
I was gonna cite "Open All Night" but then someone could've said it sounds like Ariel Pink which makes it formulaic.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
man <i>H20</i> has so many good, unexpected tunes.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
...number of R&B and hip hop acts who've cited H&O's New Wave soul...
...there's a song called "Billie Jean" you might need to hear...
It sounds like you've deemed yourself an expert on this band
nice to see some actually find some humor in this -- i mean, how can anybody be so fragile that they can be hurt by an opinion
― suspecterrain, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
We're awestruck by your perfect ear and discriminating intelligence.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
I have no reason to be hurt. Just saying, your opinion seems misinformed.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=FvcJqcUlYTo
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
suspecterrain can you recommend some non-formulaic music to listen to? also looking to buy some records that aren't product
― balls, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
or maybe just cut to the chase and instead of giving me fish teach me how to fish: what makes an act bonafide? you've clearly thought this out
― balls, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPonjXOfYo
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
if you despise commercialism, radio and formula then a Hall and Oates thread is kind of a lol place to sound off
Naive TI -- that we disagree somehow makes me a curmudgeon?
balls -- while it's worse now than it has ever been, most cities have pretty much the same hand-full of radio stations. they may be dance-oriented or pop or classic rock or oldies or "outlaw" country or whatever, but there is little variation in the playlists from town-to-town as media conglomerates are pedaling the same product in what is likely several dozen separate markets. I certainly recognize that iTunes (et. al.) has expanded the possibility for individual musical discoveries, but you can pretty much expect them to repeatedly shove whatever's "hot" in your face in hopes of selling more copies.
Personally, i view music as art, not product. Art, no matter how much critical consensus it garners, is still subjective to the individual participating with it.
― suspecterrain, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
you're opening my eyes man
― balls, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
ftr what cities have 'outlaw' country stations?
― balls, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
suspecterrain what's yr take on the 'monsanto protection act'?
― balls, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
suspectmarissa
― rocker, edgy, tight, bad boy, hip, stylish, flamboyant, unafraid (some dude), Saturday, 30 March 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
The ones that play Kristofferson, Jennings, and Cash?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 March 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
suspecterrain is right: the thread title is as constricted and absurd as his arguments.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 March 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
Lord Sotosyn; i presume you'd prefer to exchange personal attacks and further define stereotypical divergences and the nature of each others grandmothers affinity for donning militaristic footwear?
balls -- Monsanto Protection Act -- we need to feed to the world, and gmo's certainly help achieve that in a way far more efficiently than we have ever seen. But the fallout from monculture has yet to fully demonstrate it's full impact on both crops and its pollinators. Man creates products and laws well before we are able to understand their consequences.
― suspecterrain, Saturday, 30 March 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
banaka should weigh in on this
― "Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 30 March 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
hall & oates more like hall and butts
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 March 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-U1967295.jpg?size=67&uid=9300992c-ba67-4557-9c49-8bee0bb6a8dd
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 March 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
In the 80s we had Hall and OatesToday we have drones
― gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Saturday, 30 March 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
now we've got no hall and no oates
― balls, Saturday, 30 March 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
suspecterrain,
Perhaps I am misreading you. But your contributions to this thread and the Spotify one read to me like pure trolling. Most people come to boards like ILM to share their views and knowledge of music -- and to add to them by learning something. You seem dead set on letting everyone know how much you know -- and how superior that knowledge is to everyone else's.
You also appear to lack a sense of humor.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 30 March 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
you're suspect
― balls, Saturday, 30 March 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
under two different names i have been posting to this board for over 10 years. my initial post here and on the Spotify thread were simple statements of my opinion; that individuals used them to make indiscriminate conclusions and remarks about me as a person is something i fail to find significant humor in. I don't think less of people for liking this music, or black-eyed peas or lady gaga; but i certainly believe that this venue should be more than capable of discussing these topics on many levels. Nowhere have i stated that i am "right" and you are "wrong" -- i'm simply offering my personal standpoint -- just like in the Spotify thread; tried it, didn't like the commercials, opted instead for grooveshark. If i were trolling i would likely have made some asinine statement that grouped users of Spotify (or any other streaming service) are complete idiots -- i did not -- i stated my opinion and then had to defend myself against accusations that i was somehow a degenerate because i didn't see the value in a streaming service. Seems you might have this thing the wrong way round.
― suspecterrain, Saturday, 30 March 2013 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
this kind of asinine statement?
Personally, i blame the fickle money-grubbing nature of the commercial media that drove these tracks to be slathered over the airwaves, and the empty-headed buying populace that made these mega stars.
― quite strangly im attracted to the lass (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 30 March 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
If you've been on this board ten years, then you might have seen the futility of positing binaries like "art" vs "product"
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 March 2013 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
if you don't like commerce probly best not listen to music
― quite strangly im attracted to the lass (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 30 March 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
or engage with cultural products at all really
You may or may not be trolling but I think you may have missed out on a transformation or reappropriation of the "Defend the Indefensible" concept - - - for me this kind of thread has always been about rehabilitating artists that are widely considered "indefensible." Obviously many such threads are just heaping abuse on easy targets, but others are a resource for discovering a way into bands you otherwise might not have rated.
If you have been posting here for over ten years, then surely you can't think we're all strangers to arguments dismissing popular music on the basis that it is popular (ie commercial, marketable, catchy, whatever). xxxposts
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 30 March 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
To return to the subject of cooperation. It may be a curious speculation ot attend to the progressive steps, by which this feature of human society may be expected to decline. For example: shall we have concerts of music? The miserable state of mechanism of the majority of the performers, is so conspicuous, as to be, even at this day, a topic of mortification and ridicule. Will it not be practicable hereafter for one man to perform the whole? Shall we have theatrical exhibitions? This seems to include an absurd and vicious cooperation. It may be doubted, whether men will hereafter come forward in any mode, formally to repeat words and ideas that are not their own? It may be doubted, whether any musical performer will habitually execute the compositions of others? We yield supinely to the superior merit of our predecessors, because we are accustomed to indulge the inactivity of our faculties. All formal repetition of other men's ideas, seems to be a scheme for imprisoning, for so long a time, the operations of our own mind. It borders perhaps, in this respect, upon a breach of sincerity, which requires that we should give immediate utterance to every useful and valuable idea that occurs.
William Godwin agrees with you and he was quite cool tho
― quite strangly im attracted to the lass (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 30 March 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
You also, in those 10 years, might have picked up that what Ned and I wrote here was pretty mild
― gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Saturday, 30 March 2013 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
blame it on 'terrain
― buzza, Saturday, 30 March 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
You may have been more convincing had you compard H&O unfavorably to some other 80s pop artist, but since you just talked about product and inept consumers it leads me to believe that you probably hate pop music in general. An attitude more fitting for RYM boards than ILM.
― gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Saturday, 30 March 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
Compared
i for one welcome our new leader suspecterrain
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 March 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
haha buzza
i think it's great when a time-served member takes a big step out into the limelight
― quite strangly im attracted to the lass (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 30 March 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
valuable old poster!
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 30 March 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVS3WNt7yRU
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 March 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
more like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqCS7Y_kME
― quite strangly im attracted to the lass (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 30 March 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
http://depletedcranium.com/mrspoctalk.jpg
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 31 March 2013 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 31 March 2013 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
if you don't like commerce probly best not listen to music...or engage with cultural products at all really
this kind of asinine statement? -- Noodle
the futility of positing binaries like "art" vs "product" -- Lord Sotosyn
You may have been more convincing had you compared H&O unfavorably to some other 80s pop artist, but since you just talked about product and inept consumers it leads me to believe that you probably hate pop music in general. An attitude more fitting for RYM boards than ILM.
for me this kind of thread has always been about rehabilitating artists that are widely considered "indefensible." Obviously many such threads are just heaping abuse on easy targets, but others are a resource for discovering a way into bands you otherwise might not have rated. ― Doctor Casino
― suspecterrain, Sunday, 31 March 2013 02:33 (eleven years ago) link
jeez u really are a pompous ass
*genuflects*
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 March 2013 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
Pop music in itself is not dis-satisfying, but i tend to feel that it best serves children, the infirm, and neophytes. Pop music in itself is not dis-satisfying, but i tend to feel that it best serves children, the infirm, and neophytes. Pop music in itself is not dis-satisfying, but i tend to feel that it best serves children, the infirm, and neophytes. Pop music in itself is not dis-satisfying, but i tend to feel that it best serves children, the infirm, and neophytes.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:03 (eleven years ago) link
suspecterrain can you recommend a city in the us w/ an outlaw country format radio station and the opportunity to 'participate' in a mississippi field holler? also could you tell me how hall and oates and abba work similar terrain? still waiting on that non-formulaic music recommendation also. also, since you've been here ten years apparently, how giddy did you get when you realized today was the day someone finally noticed you? also this: most are only willing to discuss the merits of which topics need to be discussed and not so much on the topic itself - am i looking at actual irony here or is this straight trolling here?
― balls, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:03 (eleven years ago) link