ILM's Now For Something Completely Different... 70s Album Poll Results! Top 100 Countdown! (Part 2)

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Well my issue with Ziggy was always that Bowie is role-playing as this ethereal alien, but the music is anything but. It's just good ol' boogie glam rock. It's great, but doesn't quite match the image and story he's presenting. He obviously had not been clued in on the German Kosmische records as he was a few years later. If I could go back in time and snake him the right inspiration, I think the results would have been even more fascinating.

I would not, however, fuck with Highway To Hell. It's perfect as is.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago) link

I never drink...wine. -- Lenny Kaye

I'm missing something, what's he mean by that?

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago) link

Bela Lugosi in "Dracula"

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:45 (eleven years ago) link

Ziggy Stardust was the album that got me into Bowie so there's that... not my favorite though.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link

Nice! So I got that ridiculous Raw Power box set with both the original mix and Iggy's late 90s re-do, and like them both, just different facets of the ugly beast of an album...decked out in silvery leather pants and glitter. Their live shows have been incredible the past few years.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link

21. GANG OF FOUR Entertainment! (3885 Points, 26 Votes)
RYM: #6 for 1979, #145 overall | Acclaimed: #148 | RS: #490 | Pitchfork: #8

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Though the stressful zigzag rhythms sound thinner on record than from the stage where their chanted lyrics/nonmelodies become visible, the progressive atavism of these university Marxists is a formal accomplishment worth attending. By propelling punk's amateur ethos into uncharted musical territory, they pull the kind of trick that's eluded avant-garde primitives since the dawn of romanticism. And if you want to complain that their leftism is received, so's your common sense. No matter how merely liberal their merely critical verbal content, the tension/release dynamics are praxis at its most dialectical. Don't let's boogie--let's flop like fish escaping a line. A -- R. Christgau

If the Clash were the urban guerrillas of rock'n'roll, Leeds' Gang of Four were its revolutionary theoreticians. The band's bracing and style-setting funk-rock gained its edge from lyrics that dissect capitalist society with the cool precision of a surgeon's scalpel. The Gang saw interpersonal relationships — "romance," if you must — as politics in microcosm, a view that gives Entertainment! its distinctive tartness. Jon King declaims brittle sentiments with the self-righteous air of someone who couldn't get to first base with his girlfriend the previous evening. The basic backing trio of bassist Dave Allen, drummer Hugo Burnham and guitarist Andy Gill churns up a brutal, nearly unembellished accompaniment on this challenging album debut. -- Trouser Press

ENTERTAINMENT! isn't just the best debut album by a British band -- punk or otherwise -- since the original English release of The Clash in 1977. Nor is it simply a fierce, emotionally taut dramatization of youth's loss of innocense as seen through the clouded lens of neo-Marxist dogma and ambitiously obscure free verse. Stripped of its own pretensions and the burden of sociopolitical relevance forced on it by a knee-jerk leftist English music press, Entertainment! is a passionate declaration of discontent by four rock & roll agents provocateurs naive enough to believe they can move the world with words and music. It's also the first real political partying record since the MC5's booty-shaking 1969 broadside, Kick Out the Jams.

The power, the glory and the paradox of the Gang of Four's mission on Entertainment! is neatly, if unconsciously, capsulized in the last line of "5.45," a typically kinetic dance tract about television news. "Guerrilla war struggle is a new entertainment," rails Jon King in demagogic sing-speak set against a wall of Gatling-gun guitar chords and snowballing bass and drum patterns. Contracted to two of the biggest corporations in the music business (EMI in Britain, Warner Bros. in America), the Gang of Four undoubtedly fancy themselves cultural guerrillas based in the heart of the beast, using its oppressive but efficient offices to issue an encouraging revolutionary word.
Like their namesakes (the four top Communist officials purged from the party in China's post-Mao upheaval), the Gang of Four have drawn scorn from their more extremist New Wave brethren in England for their ties with major labels. The charge, of course, is that mass-marketing dollars spent on behalf of an LP as radical (even in rock & roll terms) as Entertainment! merely reduces both the album and its message to just that: entertainment<>no different from a Beatles reissue or the latest Doobie Brothers release.

Yet this is exactly the level on which Entertainment! is most effective and the Gang of Four most subversive. Guerrillas they may be, with weighty political statements to make, but vocalist Jon King, guitarist Andy Gill, bassist Dave Allen and drummer Hugo Burnham have also made a damned entertaining record, angst and all. Allen's explosive bass and Burnham's deft command of funk, reggae and revved-up disco meters form a one-two punch whose tactility and musical strength equals that of the Rolling Stones and the Wailers. Gill ignores routine rock-guitar riffing, preferring instead to fire off polyrhythmic volleys of crackling dissonance that have more in common with ex-Dr. Feelgood guitarist Wilko Johnson than Johnny Ramone.

With King ranting in a pronounced British accent against declamatory harmonies, a background of the other three group members, the effect is one of orgasmic dance-floor release. Going into overdrive in a manic James Brown mutation ("Not Great Men") or in their implosive variation on three-chord, Chuck Berry classicism ("I Found That Essence Rare"), the Gang of Four dare you to go wild<>if not in the streets, then at your local rock disco. Sure, their lyrical concerns may be the stuff of furrowed brows in dank college coffeehouses (three of the four Gangsters were students at Leeds University). But even the dour rationalizations about love and sex in "Damaged Goods" and "Contract" aren't enough to neutralize the icy sting of Gill's guitar or to snuff out the propulsive blast of the latter tune's ricochet rhythms, which recall the shotgun thrust of Captain Beef-heart's Magic Band on Trout Mask Replica.

There's certainly a fine art to the Gang of Four's grooving. In "Armalite Rifle" (from their 1978 Fast EP, Damaged Goods, issued in America as part of a Fast compilation called Mutant Pop), the band twisted conventional rock & roll basics to subtle advantage. In his solo break, Andy Gill fought Hugo Burnham's steady tempo with a contrapuntal landslide of harmonically contrary chords. Then, in a split-second reversal of roles, Gill kept time with a single repeated note over Burnham's strident acceleration of the beat. The group's latest English 45, "Outside the Trains Don't Run on Time," employs a similar gambit, each musician taking turns holding to the springy Sly Stone pace while the others chip away at it.

Entertainment! features more advanced but no less danceable applications of the rhythmic possibilities in the Gang of Four's backbeat. Not surprisingly, most of them are initiated by Gill. First, he denies the harmony implicit in most rock rhythm-guitar styles by playing everything from one isolated note to a sputtering cough of distortion, all independent from King's austere vocal outline. Then he fortifies the band's pivotal bass-and-drums structure by creating one of his own in a simulated contest of wills. This guy even creates a conflict with himself in the argumentative guitar overdubs of "Guns before Butter."

"At Home He's a Tourist," the group's best recorded work to date, summarizes Gill's innovative approach to his instrument. Barely seconds into Dave Allen and Hugo Burnham's freight-train intro, Gill is furiously punching his strings with random atonal glee, stepping into a severely abbreviated chord progression to punctuate King's vehement observations about ulcers and urban tension. Like Keith Levene in Public Image Ltd., Andy Gill doesn't play the guitar. He uses it as a medium to transmit a new code of rock & roll signals that describe the social and spiritual turmoil at the heart of the Gang of Four's sound.

Often lost in Gill's blitzkrieg is the ghostly chanting of Jon King, who somehow manages a fascinating fusion of John Lydon's Sex Pistols snarl, a conversational drone and a bit of feverish pulpit pounding. But the three-way instrumental debates between Gill, Allen and Burnham are so absorbing that they stand as great rock art without any words at all. At their hardest and heaviest, the Gang of Four can sound like a goose-stepping Led Zeppelin or a lusty Plastic Ono Band. They can just as easily work up a funky Parliament-Funkadelic sweat ("Not Great Men") or slip into a psychotic stream of echoed PiL-like dub to the melancholy refrain of King's melodica ("Ether"). With all this going on, there exists the very real possibility that one can listen<>and dance<>to Entertainment! without paying much attention to the issues and imagery contained in the lyrics.

That would be unfortunate. "Guns before Butter" should be required listening for Americans, age nineteen and twenty, facing the possibility of a new military draft. The idea of sex as false emotional advertising is heightened by Jon King's bittersweet readings of "Natural's Not in It" and "Damaged Goods." And in "Anthrax," Andy Gill's orgy of introductory feedback is the cue for a discussion between King, who likens love to a cattle disease, and Gill, who explains why the Gang of Four don't sing about love like everybody else. "These groups and singers," Gill says like a student reading his homework in front of the class, "think they appeal to everyone singing about love because apparently everyone has or can love or so they would have you believe anyway...."

The Gang of Four would have you believe that the body politic is a higher authority than the body physical. But the exclamation point on Entertainment! suggests they really know better. All revolution and no rhythm makes their more radical British peers (the terminally eclectic Pop Group and the sub-Ramonesish, reactionary Crass) extremely dull entities. A brilliant, ferocious dance band, the Gang of Four have something to say, and they say it best with body language. These musicians may not change your mind, but they'll definitely grab your attention. -- David Fricke, RS

Gang of Four formed in Leeds, England, in 1977, naming themselves after the Chinese political faction associated with Mao Tse-tung's widow. Eyebrows were raised when this avowedly left-wing group signed to EMI, but their uncompromising attitude remained intact.

Entertainment!'s groundbreaking sound is due to the tight funk rhythms laid down by bassist Dave Allen and drummer Hugo Burnham, and Andy Gill's scratchy staccato guitar. The use of space allows Jon King's intelligently delivered vocals to be heard, while the gaps are filled with jagged guitar feedback and melodica.

Defiantly anti-sexist and anti-Fascist, the band were lyrically inspired by the looming specter of Thatcherism and the rise in violence between right- and left-wing factions that they witnessed in their native Yorkshire in the late 1970s. "At Home He's a Tourist" and "Contract" attempt to challenge men and women's traditional roles in society; "Ether"'s Funkadelic-inspired call-and-answer vocals examine the way the media's exposure of British mistreatment of Northern Irish prisoners was obscured by the discovery of North Sea oil. "Damaged Goods" explores the metaphors between sex and consumerism. Most powerful of all is "5:45," with its portrayal of graphic war scenes on prime-time television news.

The music is, however, delivered with wit, anger, and raw energy, and the vocals never descend into mindless ranting. Entertainment! is fresh and consistent, the Gang's "Neo-Marxist funk" inspiring groups as disparate as the Red Hot Chili Peppers and The Rapture. -- Chris Shade, 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die


review
[-] by Andy Kellman

Entertainment! is one of those records where germs of influence can be traced through many genres and countless bands, both favorably and unfavorably. From groups whose awareness of genealogy spreads wide enough to openly acknowledge Gang of Four's influence (Fugazi, Rage Against the Machine), to those not in touch with their ancestry enough to realize it (rap-metal, some indie rock) -- all have appropriated elements of their forefathers' trailblazing contribution. Its vaguely funky rhythmic twitch, its pungent, pointillistic guitar stoccados, and its spoken/shouted vocals have all been picked up by many. Lyrically, the album was apart from many of the day, and it still is. The band rants at revisionist history in "Not Great Men" ("No weak men in the books at home"), self-serving media and politicians in "I Found That Essence Rare" ("The last thing they'll ever do?/Act in your interest"), and sexual politics in "Damaged Goods" ("You said you're cheap but you're too much"). Though the brilliance of the record thrives on the faster material -- especially the febrile first side -- a true highlight amongst highlights is the closing "Anthrax," full of barely controlled feedback squalls and moans. It's nearly psychedelic, something post-punk and new wave were never known for. With a slight death rattle and plodding bass rumble, Jon King equates love with disease and admits to feeling "like a beetle on its back." In the background, Andy Gill speaks in monotone of why Gang of Four doesn't do love songs. Subversive records of any ilk don't get any stronger, influential, or exciting than this.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:53 (eleven years ago) link

So do you want to finish it all today as planned or take it down to #11 and finish tomorrow?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:53 (eleven years ago) link

I'm around, though I haven't heard most of what's placing atm so don't have much to say.

Newgod.css (seandalai), Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

finish it!

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

This pace seems to be discouraging discussion, but I'm fine either way, though I'll have to bow out in 45 min for meetings the rest of the day.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

I'm out this evening but it's up to you AG. Xgau actually sort of on the money with that Go4 review.

Neil S, Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

Finish it

balls, Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

Direct Link to poll recap & full results

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

OK lets finish it today as everyone seems to want to

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

TOP TWENTY

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

Blast of "Brother" by CCS....

Mark G, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:02 (eleven years ago) link

20. LES RALLIZES DÉNUDÉS '77 Live (3960 Points, 28 Votes)
RYM: #398 overall

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...there's a mystical quality going on. Certainly with Speed, Glue & Shinki and also Les Rallizes Denudes. I think (songwriter/guitarist) Takeshi Mizutani was literally working out his own demons by standing in the eye of the storm...That's some of the heaviest music I've ever heard. It's like Blue Cheer, but we're talking 19-minute trudge. So it's doing what Blue Cheer were doing around the time of Outside Inside, but it's really punishing the fucking metaphor. Lots of distortion, almost to the point of late-period Kraut where people like Die Krupps would get so heavy the drums and bass would disappear. You're literally on your knees. -- J. Cope, Classic Rock

Note: Their career has been down in the dumps ever since bass player Mariyasu Wakabayashi helped hijack a JAL Boeing 737 back in 1970 (see Book Two, Chapter Five). Their last official release was a double live LP recorded back in 1977. And nobody even knows quite what the official name of their band is, or even what its most popular French form means because there are no such things as 'rallizes' in the French language. And yet the cult that surrounds Les Rallizes Denudés increases in size year after year. This is because, in a world where the sacrilegious reunions of former punks like the Velvet Underground and the Stooges have destroyed utterly the myth of their legendary non-conformity, devotees of Les Rallizes's Takeshi Mizutani and his black-clad cohorts can relax safe in the knowledge that their erstwhile heroes would rather commit collective hara kiri than sell out their gruelling 37-year-long self-imposed isolation up in the wildernesses of northern Japan by doing anything remotely as gauche as releasing a new record. Combine all of this attitude with leader Mizutani's intense devotion to re-recording the same small canon of material over and over again, and you have the blueprint for a rock'n'roll cult that transcends all others. When French movie maker Ethan Mousike trekked across the globe to make a documentary about the Rallizes (and at his own expense I hasten to add), Mizutani refused to allow him to film the band close-up, insisting instead that Mousike set up his tripod in the dressing room, thereby allowing the camera lens to focus on less than one-third of the stage. When, after twenty minutes of this suffocatingly boring footage had elapsed, Mizutani contemptuously jumped off stage and kicked the door shut. our heroic French director chose not to remonstrate with the churlish Mizutani, preferring instead to allow the film stock to conclude naturally, thereby allowing Les Rallizes Denudés's errant metaphor its full reign.

Imagine a high-school band playing the bass-heavy stentorian outro of Television's 'Marquee Moon' title track in 25-minute bursts, while a Blue Cheer-informed (Leigh Stephens period, natch) be-shaded guitar moron with waist-length black hair unloads over the track the kind of pent-up white-noise sonic fury that entirely buries said backing track under an avalanche of mung. Imagine that, from time to time, that same skinny moron temporarily interrupts his invasion-of-Manchuria guitar techniques in order to bring focus to the chords of this so-called song via a series of charmingly unpleasant croons, hiccups, yelps and whooping sub-sub-Buddy Hollyisms in an Alan Vega stylee. Next, imagine a second song just as long as the first that takes its form and sound from the same Ur-spring whence the first was drawn, but which is propelled by a curiously catchy soul-standard bass riff lifted directly from Little Peggy March's 1963 hit single 'I Will Follow Him'. Imagine that this music is being played by a quartet of musicians, each of whom is a carbon copy of the singer/guitarist, each be-shaded, each tall and lanky, each black-clad and sullen, and you're close to approaching the world of Les Rallizes Denudés. For the scene that I have described above could have taken place at any time between 1969 and 1990, and none of us would have been any the wiser. For so strong is the fundamentalist aesthetic stance that Rallizes's leader Takeshi Mizutani adopted back in 1969, that all future members of Les Rallizes Denudés - all 600,000 of them - have happily complied with their leader's rules just to get near him long enough to stand downwind of that auto-panned guitar maelstrom that he so effortlessly unleashes. And such is the fundamentalist nature of Takeshi Mizutani's recording art that the other members of the band rarely make a difference to Rallizes's sound; they can't because Mizutani limits their playing by imposing extraordinarily tight restrictions, both to players and recording engineers. And in this paranoid adherence to Mizutani's secret formula lies the greatness of Les Rallizes Denudés. For it has ensured that no one has been able to judge a Rallizes song by any other standards than the band's own. Indeed, they could do a note-for-note copy of another band's song and it could only sound like Les Rallizes Denudés. Okay, now I've got you intrigued about Mizutani's formula, I shall slightly deflate you all by revealing its incredible simplicity:

Never record in a studio.
Play only with musicians for whom even the slightest deviation from the riff will most certainly be calamitous.
Never release records (never ever).
Persist for three decades until the outside world catches on.

So how do we actually know of Les Rallizes Denudés if they don't even release records? Through bootlegs, bootlegs and more bootlegs. Indeed, Les Rallizes Denudés has operated in this manner for so long now that both musicians and fans know so far in advance what to expect from each other that there's even a caste system within that world of bootlegs. Yup, while certain Rallizes LPs are considered so much less bootleggy than others that they've almost become official in the minds of fans, others are just dismissed as cash-ins, re-runs and ... well, just plain bootlegs. If all this sounds a little cretinous, then you'd better turn your attention to another part of this book and come back when you're feeling less tense. For Les Rallizes Denudés operate only at this level, at that unlikely meeting point between total nihilism and utter blandness, a doorway you'd never guess would even need to exist until you discover it. But be in no doubt whatsoever that Les Rallizes Denudés is a rock'n'roll band of world importance. For, unlike many so-called legendary rock acts, this band has, down the years, delivered umpteen classic songs to our door, songs that our children's children will no doubt still be hiccupping, yelping and crooning in fifty years. For while the sonic delivery of Les Rallizes Denudés owes its sound to the avant-garde, Mizutani's songs are themselves as focused and folk-based as those of Lou Reed. Indeed, a solo acoustic Mizutani show would be a rather excellent proposition full of catchy choruses and 'he's playing our song' moments. But, in this final stage of my opening gambit, and before I take you all on a historical trawl through Rallizesville, I should make this plea to newcomers to their mighty canon of work. The music of Les Rallizes Denudés demands total attention, and without that attention this band is nothing. Put their records on as background music and they fail utterly. But play albums such as HEAVIER THAN A DEATH IN THE FAMILY, LIVE '77, BLIND BABY HAS ITS MOTHERS EYES, FUCKED UP & NAKED in the darkness of your lonely room, and you will experience yourself being sucked up into the ether with ne'er a stain left as evidence of your former presence here. -- J. Cope

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:03 (eleven years ago) link

never even heard of it!

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:04 (eleven years ago) link

great way to kick off the top 20

I didn't listen to ziggy stardust for years because the CD masters were so terrible but last years 40th anniversary edition was great

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:04 (eleven years ago) link

here's a spotify link to les rallizes denudes, it's basically the same album under a different name

http://open.spotify.com/album/79KhezvyjiFwFKC3AmsQ9L

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:06 (eleven years ago) link

I should hear this.

Newgod.css (seandalai), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:07 (eleven years ago) link

do you like noisy distorted rock?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:09 (eleven years ago) link

Nice. Voted for this, hadn't heard it before nominations thread. Another victory for campaigning!

beau 'daedaly (wins), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link

oh HELL yeah

today's tom soy yum, mean mean thai (Spectrist), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago) link

Lots of distortion, almost to the point of late-period Kraut where people like Die Krupps would get so heavy the drums and bass would disappear. You're literally on your knees. -- J. Cope, Classic Rock

Makes me want to hear more stuff by Die Krupps (really don't remember them sounding like that but still)

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago) link

To The Hilt Die Krupps?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link

19. KING CRIMSON Red (4382 Points, 29 Votes, 1 #1)
RYM: #1 for 1974, #43 overall | Acclaimed: #666 | Pitchfork: #72

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Grand, powerful, grating, and surprisingly lyrical, with words that cast aspersions on NYC (violence you know) and make me like it, or at least not hate it (virtually a first for the Crims), this does for classical-rock fusion what John McLaughlin's Devotion did for jazz-rock fusion. The secret as usual is that Robert Fripp is playing more--he does remind me of McLaughlin, too, though he prefers to glide where McLaughlin beats his wings. In compensation, Bill Bruford supplies more action than Buddy Miles. Less soul, though--which is why the jazz-rock fusion is more exciting. A- -- R. Christgau

Unbeknownst at the time, Red would be their swansong, and an album on which Fripp could proudly hang up the Crimson saga. Oddly though, Fripp invited no less than three former members to the recording: Ian McDonald, Mel Collins and David Cross. The album opens with the angular guitar riff of the title track, one certainly as memorable as “Lark’s Tongues in Aspic, part II.” Both “Fallen Angel” and “One More Red Nightmare” follow, two of the most cohesive and well-developed songs the band would produce. In fact, this side of the album presents King Crimson at their most accessible, if not most electric ever. The second side however, dives right back into improvisation. “Providence” packs just about everything improve-related from the last two albums into its short eight minutes before the album ends with the epic “Starless.” But unlike its bleak title, the song proves to be autobiographical, incorporating many elements of each different incarnation of King Crimson throughout, before ending in one last glorious refrain. -- C. Snider, The Strawberry Bricks Guide To Progressive Rock

I am aware that various biogs and stuff on Mr.R. Fripp and associates are available (some good, some academic in style) which review this album, but this is my poet-heart review of an old and loved favourite…excuse the flowery language..

Boom! Straight into track 1…Red - riff heaven..William Bruford thunders imperiously over/under it all…Fripp slashes and grinds…John Wetton pins the bass..

then Fallen Angel ..I used to think this gorgeous vocal was Greg Lake, but according to the sleeve it’s John Wetton..then that sax wails and sirens…Fripps guitar starts to circle in….

One More Red Nightmare…duh duh dah duh da da da duh da duh…<crash>|smash|
sublime combination of Bruford and Fripp after the 2nd vocal bit…Riffomania!! Sudden end…

Providence…violins…hummmmm…<*wonky free jazz bit> feedback…tinkle <wail> …extended noise jazz bit (not to everyones taste) ..then the guitar and bass start to tug together…sinuous rhythms entwine…tangle/untangle

Starless - the ULTIMATE MELLOTRON TRACK!!! Those mello strings come in then Bob's guitar just floats effortlessly ..re-coding your DNA…. starless and bible black…endless universe of sound…bass twang thunder…Fripp guitar twang repeat endless loop changing.riff Riff RIFF RIFF!! Then it all crashes back in…zen jazz bop Buddha in the middle..crazed dervish end circling to the middle…lightening strikes, thunder rolls….the piper stands at the gates of dawn… -- Squid Tempest, Head Heritage


review
by Bruce Eder

King Crimson fell apart once more, seemingly for the last time, as David Cross walked away during the making of this album. It became Robert Fripp's last thoughts on this version of the band, a bit noiser overall but with some surprising sounds featured, mostly out of the group's past -- Mel Collins' and Ian McDonald's saxes, Marc Charig's cornet, and Robin Miller's oboe, thus providing a glimpse of what the 1972-era King Crimson might've sounded like handling the later group's repertory (which nearly happened). Indeed, Charig's cornet gets just about the best showcase it ever had on a King Crimson album, and the truth is that few intact groups could have gotten an album as good as Red together. The fact that it was put together by a band in its death throes makes it all the more impressive an achievement. Indeed, Red does improve in some respects on certain aspects of the previous album -- including "Starless," a cousin to the prior album's title track -- and only the lower quality of the vocal compositions keeps this from being as strongly recommended as its two predecessors.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link

Whoa, LRD at #20? That's pretty cool. And it's properly heavy, so the rawk types who've been complaining about people voting for the arty/krauty/weird side of the poll can suck it. (NB: I know there haven't actually been (m)any people doing this, but there have been a few "oh, this is good but it doesn't rock" comments, which in my brain get filtered into "HOW DARE YOU VOTE FOR THIS?!")

emil.y, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

Red is so great.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

there have been a few "oh, this is good but it doesn't rock" comments, which in my brain get filtered into "HOW DARE YOU VOTE FOR THIS?!")

With respect, that's a bit of a leap imo.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link

hey emil.y did you see what placed yesterday?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link

I think a few people said things like "i didnt vote for it as i decided to only vote for albums i thought rocked" but nothing saying how dare anyone vote for it (except for balls and wk complaining about the ohio players but that wasnt about not rocking they just hate it)

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

I refrained from voting for certain albums (e.g. Curtis Mayfield) because they didn't fit in my personal poll parameters, despite their being among my favourite albums ever.

Newgod.css (seandalai), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

So excited about Les Rallizes Denudes (my #4) getting up this. They are completely mind blowing (and this album is a good entry point) for a band who have about a hundred albums and only around 7 different songs.

Non-Stop Erotic Calculus (bmus), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

Red is so great.

― EveningStar (Sund4r),

it is!

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

Whoops...

...getting up this far.

Non-Stop Erotic Calculus (bmus), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

Last time I heard Red was six months ago at a gig just before Boris played, and from where I was standing I could see all the band sat round a table at the side of the stage waiting to come on and *really* grooving along to it.

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:23 (eleven years ago) link

Some people voted for their faves.
Some people voted for most rocking.
Some people voted for most funky.
Some people voted for most art school project (imago)
Some people voted for weirdest
Some people voted for all of it
Some people didn't vote

These approaches all makes for an interesting and unpredictable poll and I welcome that!

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:23 (eleven years ago) link

i like the ohio players i'm just aware that they're hilariously overrated in this poll. ohio players >>> isley brothers is straight insanity, nevermind ohio players >>> stevie wonder or ohio players >>> prince. but apparently in england they know better.

balls, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link

balls otm

Newgod.css (seandalai), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link

Lots of distortion, almost to the point of late-period Kraut where people like Die Krupps would get so heavy the drums and bass would disappear. You're literally on your knees. -- J. Cope, Classic Rock

Makes me want to hear more stuff by Die Krupps (really don't remember them sounding like that but still)

― acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:11 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To The Hilt Die Krupps?

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:14 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Earlier pre-pop Die Krupps more what Cope is talking about. Recorded at Inner Space, mixed at Conny's: http://www.discogs.com/Die-Krupps-Stahlwerksynfonie/release/108178

Milton Parker, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

original idea for poll was strictly rocking stuff a la the 80s poll (though fables of the reconstruction snuck in somehow there) and then, after fending off accusations from some dude and others that his polls are just polls of records that he likes he decided this one he would actually make just a poll of records that he likes. no big whoop - it's just a thread on ilm and as rock lists go this is pretty awesome, i'm way more likely to consult it than the proper official ilm 70s one nevermind any rolling stone or pfork list.

balls, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link

With respect, that's a bit of a leap imo.

If I didn't realise it was a bit of a leap I wouldn't have posted it. Obv.

emil.y, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link

well stevie didn't get nommed. did we decide on rocking only funk? He woulda been on my ballot if he had been nommed.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago) link

Nothin' wrong with a little friendly debate on what rocks! I would definitely put King Crimson and Van der Graaf Generator as two of the more rocking prog bands.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link

anyway with a list of 501 it covered everything and everyone (mostly) was happy

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link

Stevie does many things, but aside from "Superstitious," he's not that rockin ;)

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link

and of course rock was so dominant in the 70s that tbh i think pretty much every album here rocks anyway. it's not like anne murray placed.

balls, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

I like some King Crimson, but remember hating at least a couple of tracks off Red. I'll file it away as "give it another go at some point".

emil.y, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link

it's not like anne murray placed.

She dominates the top 10, so bite your tongue.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link


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