Underworld - Classic or Dud?

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I don't care how much everybody hates it, I think "Underneath the Radar" is a fucking GREAT 80s pop song.

The kickass house/blues romp "Big Mouth" (with some guy named Philadelphia Slim whom I've never heard of on harmonica!!) is another awesome underrated early Underworld song. Underworld kicks ass.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

total classic. however, i was one of those american kids who was rather impressionable when trainspotting came out and when record labels were trying to push 'electronica' down everyone's throats.. but stuff like dubnobassman, second toughest and the pearl's girl maxi single kept me around for good. second toughest is one of the albums ive played more consistantly than anything else over the last 5-6 years.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

www.freakytrigger.co.uk/underworld.html


(I'm sorry I won't pimp out that article ever again, this is the millionth time, prob haven't written anything decent for free since, it was 18 months ago)

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic. They're one of the only bands my brother ever turned me on to. Second Toughest, I have to agree, is killer.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 January 2004 06:56 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...
I am listening to _Beaucoup Fish_ right now and realizing that the only song on it that I dislike is "Bruce Lee".

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

the thread about electronic music that moves you reminded me of this band.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

DUD ^

24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i love Bruce Lee, where does that female monologue come from?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Hyde's lyrics are starting to annoy me more here and there these days, particularly on Luetin tho that is a fantastic track (a classic case of a track you are just casually listening to, a few minutes pass and then you just hit a moment and realise where you are who you are what's going on etc.)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

(Luomo's 'Synkro' is another example of that i found recently)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

The trick to Luetin for me is the strings. I often don't notice them come in, but I do, it's lovely. I can't even make out most of the lyrics on it though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

he says 'cokey cola'

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

And the ts thread re: "the chronic" reminds me of this thread in a Der-Ball-ist-rund-und-das-Spiel-dauert-90-Minuten sense, i.e. of course "the chronic" wrecks snoop's shoppe and of course underworld is one of the few - very few - album-generating classic artists of dance music.

But I must ask: If Underworld's a dud, who's classic?


...Ball ist rund. Spiel dauert 90 Minuten. Soviel ist schon mal klar. Alles andere ist Theorie...

And I want to be called "Juanita." (nader), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm, that does ruin the vibe, doesn't it?

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Underworld is beyond classic.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

But he also says "he smokes his lungs like chicken"!!!!

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

total fuckin' classic.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Unbelievably classic. One of the best bands of the '90s; the first 30 minutes of "Second Toughest" is some of the best music I've ever heard. One of the few bands that the records just keep getting better for me and I still don't feel like I'm fully "into" them. This thread is making me go back and listen to Beaacoup Fish again, since I didn't really get into that one. Last year's record was absolutely terrific.

I love how each record they make gets more and more minimal, but it doesn't diminish the impact at all.

With the benefit of hindsight, Darren Emerson leaving seems to have been beneficial.

Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to see an Emerson album, something that isn't some sort of shit Global Underground mix or Sasha collaboration

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Does anyone else have trouble remembering what Underworld songs are called? I could make a complete list of Underworld song titles and have no idea what songs they refer to, minus Cups, Blueski, Born Slippy, and Stagger. And King of Snake and Bruce Lee (duh).

That said, they are one of my faves.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 26 June 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a hard time remembering the titles of any of their pre-_Beaucoup Fish_ songs besides the singles.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Second Toughest In the Infants would top my albums of the '90s list if I did such a thing.

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Second Toughest is my favorite. I listened to it every night at bedtime for a year.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 27 June 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, stiti is an epic album and my second favorite album of the 90's. that reminds me that i need to buy another copy since mine is so beat up from constant use.

todd swiss (eliti), Sunday, 27 June 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Roxy you are very wise. What I love most about STITI is that it hasn't aged a damn bit since the day it was released.

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 28 June 2004 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i got their 1991-2002 double cd collection thingy for $10 last week. bargain!! it's tops.

gem (trisk), Monday, 28 June 2004 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I listened to _Second Toughest..._ recently to see if I was wrong way back when I labelled it as disspointing and boring. I wasn't. What the hell are you people seeing in this album? There's only one song on it that I ever want to hear EVER.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 June 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Which song?

I think it would ride pretty high in my best of the 90s, FWIW. For all I know I might have bypassed electronic music almost entirely if not for that album and 'In Sides'

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 28 June 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"Pearl's Girl", of course!

"Juanite/Kiteless/Confusion The Waitress" would pass muster if it wasn't 8,000 years long.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, you're listening too hard.

Mencap, me too! I owe it al to STITI. It's the record that got me into electronic music, house music, DANCE music even.

gem, is that comp really worth buying? Couldn't I just burn it myself? What's the appeal?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Aha, now I understand I think; I'd been into electronic music for a good... what, seven, eaight years before _Second Toughest..._ came out and needed no gateway.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not the biggest STITI fan, but I have to at least say it's the closest they've come to holding a mood. It's all very blue and cool. "Rowla" is the only thing on there comparable to the spiky "Dinosaur Adventure 3D" or "Cowgirl" but even it seems to fit somehow.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Monday, 28 June 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Is "holding a mood" a euphemism for "making every song sound almost exactly the same"?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 June 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan you're wrong sir and I demand a retraction. I hope someday you hear it the same way I do!

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 28 June 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be nice because then people wouldn't think I was contrary just for the sake of being contrary.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 June 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bizspirit.com/images/sysimage_publishing/Books/Contrarian%20Mgmnt.jpg

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

is that comp really worth buying?
No music collection is complete without "Rez".

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't that on the Cowgirl EP?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 28 June 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i love STITI but i didn't pick up on Dubnobass... til a while after that came out so that affects things i'm sure.

'Rez' was a rare example of a video making me dislike the track more (which i initially thought was ok, then liked a lot) as opposed to the other way round. still prefer 'Cowgirl' tho.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

They were the first electronic act I got into and I loved loved loved them, but I still do not own STITI. To my knowledge I've only heard it once and I think I was drugged up. Didn't leave an impression. Maybe Dan could give me his copy?

Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Second Toughest is okay but it's not as good as the first or the third album - the "dance" sections just aren't physically compulsive enough.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Is "holding a mood" a euphemism for "making every song sound almost exactly the same"?

Heh, the last three on there especially just kind of go by in a nameless haze (bringing us back to roxy's point).

Vinnie (vprabhu), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

is that comp really worth buying?

not if you have all of the originals of course. but i don't. so it was for me.

gem (trisk), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

making every song sound almost exactly the same

There is nothing in the songs "Blueski", "Stagger" and "Juanita" (for example) that sounds anything like anything in the other two.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

STITI is still years ahead of the curve, yo.

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah roxy but that's because they're all in different genres; there's still a monochrome pall to a lot of it. Beaucoup Fish is formally less varied but it feels much more dynamic.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

that monochrome pall is part of what i find really absorbing about second toughest. i find it difficult to explain how that is different from merely "boring" or "featureless" but somehow the songs are distinct, yet flow naturally one into the other without any giant leaps or gaps.

partly i think the danceability of second toughest is subtle yet powerful- the repetitive figures of the "juanita/kiteless" opening block at first just make you bounce around a little bit, jiggle a leg in your seat or whatever, but by later you're humming along with the vocoder and it picks up speed. this is opposed to the danceability of, say, "push upstairs," which just starts bashing down the door and forcing you to dance with the detroit-ness of it all and builds even more on that.

.rob (rgeary), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

that is all to say, i do find second toughest physically compulsive but in a back-door kind of way- you have to hear the tracks a few times before you find them compulsive, whereas underworld's most obviously danceable tracks ("rez," "born slippy," much of beacoup fish) instantly commands dance reactions from the first beat.

neither is a better approach.

.rob (rgeary), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Second Toughest is okay but it's not as good as the first or the third album - the "dance" sections just aren't physically compulsive enough.

OTM OTM OTM OTM and incidentally this is why "Pearl's Girl" is the only track on the album that works.

_Second Toughest..._ comes across like they took the miniscule edge of _dubnobass..._ and sanded it off of every track, leaving a completely innoffensive and uninvolving puddle of bland (with the SOLE exception of "Pearl's Girl"); the entire reason why most of those songs work better in a live situation is because beefed up through a gigantic club system with all of the live filter processing and feedback inherent in the setup the tracks regain bite and crispness. I first heard most of the _Second Toughest..._ material live at one of their shows in support of the album and was DEEPLY LET DOWN by the faceless blancmange that they put in the stores, so I basically turned back to the drum n bass CDs that were piling up next to my stereo and wrote them off for YEARS.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
Is the recent double-album singles collection the best place to start> I sincerely doubt I will ever invest in buying all their albums.

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

My then-roommate in 1996 had friends over and were planning to see Underworld at a club down the street. I knew and liked “Thrash” from Sire’s Just Say Mao compilation and decided to tag along to check out the show.

I was not prepared.

DJP, Wednesday, 22 April 2026 14:58 (one month ago)

lol I bet ... considering which album they were touring

disco stabbing horror (lukas), Wednesday, 22 April 2026 15:42 (one month ago)

The ticket website is f’ed up. It (and all of Underworld’s advertising) clearly implies there are two concerts, one on Thursday Sep 3 and the other on Friday, Sep 4. when I go to the website try to buy a Friday ticket (which is $10 more than Thursday) the ticket I got back says thursday. so I email their customer service and they tell me “no your ticket is for Thursday and there is no Friday concert”

The New Blockader (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 22 April 2026 16:39 (one month ago)

I ask them why everything says Thursday and Friday and they explain, “that’s because the concert goes to midnight”.

that famous way we describe a single concert if it might go to midnight “oh hey I went to so-and-so’s show on thursday and friday”

The New Blockader (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 22 April 2026 16:42 (one month ago)

I also bought tickets for the friday show. Emailed them about the same problem and this is what i got back…

We're sorry for the confusion here.
I’ve checked your tickets for the event Underworld Presents Crazy, Crazy, and I can confirm they are definitely for September 4th.
Because this is a two-day event, the app often displays the start date of the overall festival (September 3rd) on the main heading. However, your specific ticket type is valid for September 4th.

BringTheAuBonPain, Wednesday, 22 April 2026 20:43 (one month ago)

yes I finally cleared that up again after another round of emails with their support :/

The New Blockader (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 22 April 2026 20:45 (one month ago)

it might've been all the painkillers i was on, but when i saw them for the first time last year (i've been a fan suns dubno) it was a transcendental experience.
a lot of strawberry hotel stuff also didn't properly register until i heard those tracks live, denver luna needs to be heard live

scanner darkly, Thursday, 23 April 2026 00:51 (one month ago)

actually tried to buy a ticket using half a dozen different browsers on three different devices and never even got far enough to learn what the ticket price was

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 April 2026 00:57 (one month ago)

three weeks pass...

tight one-hour festival set from EDC last Friday — thrilling views of Rick’s patch label strips for each song, the “for2026” versions of Pearls & Kittens with the Boiler Room samples back in, opener is Born Slippy with Good Day Today sung over the top

uploading this content requires perseveration (sic), Wednesday, 20 May 2026 23:39 (four weeks ago)


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