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seventeen minutes in and LOVING this. sublime is right.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

thx stirmonster!

wow this is great!

i'ven never heard arthur russell before....is it all this cool? sweet....

― Doesn't M@tt He1geson Deserve A Cool, Funny Login Name? (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

wow matt go buy the world of... RIGHT NOW (nb: may contain upwards of 50% disco)

― strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

will do....

i ain't scurred of a lil' disco!

― Doesn't M@tt He1geson Deserve A Cool, Funny Login Name? (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

late last year, dustygroove had boots of 24-24 music, which is about as close as you can get, i reckon.
not sure of the legal situation reissuing it, but i would think Audika could do something about it. i know they are working on the orchestral stuff right now, along with another project.

― Beta (abeta), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

thanks for the track

― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

Stirmonster you roxxx!

― Gerard (Gerard), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Cheers Stirmonster! This track is exquisite!

― LRJP! (LRJP!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

Merci, twitch!

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

http://s29.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0AOVSL1BZFZ0C23EQZMN8FTJKV

I hope this works, Due to the beatuy of the track posted above i felt inspired. Here is Felix. Tiger Stripes, on sleeping bag records. One truly odd dance song.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Who peter zummo? Why don't I know this person? I 've almost finished listening to the song and floor is the only word I can think of. I can only think of 'Soon-To-Be Innocent Fun-Let's See' from world of echoe, that compares.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

Floored

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Oh man this is gorgeous. Thanks Twitch!

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

i'm dying to listen to both tracks right now!!!...i'm going into a conference room!!

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

http://www.timlawrence.info/books/russell.php

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

More thanks for both tracks. Was into Arthur Russell and Sleeping Bag records way back in the day and it's great to hear it again.

― drewo (drewo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

So is Russell's "disco" stuff generally preferred to his avant cello, cello+vocals, avant-casio-pop, or other incarnations? I came into him via 'Another Thought' of all places, which is generally similar to 'World of Echo' with a few that fall between the Sleeping Bag and 'Calling Out of Context' sounds. 'World of Echo' is easily amongst my top 5 records all time, out of thousands.

I love it all, really, and it's one of the things that amazes me--he could be considered a genius in numerous (seemingly wholly) disparate scenes/genres. Everything he did seems to have been gold--he even makes the otherwise mediocre rock/pop of the Necessaries shimmer when his keys/voice touch in.

― I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

i think his straight in disco stuff is inferior to the rest of his work....but there's that overlap between the disco and avante stuff where he pretty much shines.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

I'm really glad Audika has had so much success. The label owner seems like a great guy--he even forwarded a modest little review I did of 'World of Echo' upon its reissue (which I never dared hope for in years prior) to Arthur's family, and then told me that it had touched them. Bring on the instrumentals cello works!

― I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

I was pretty floored when AR's dad wrote me last year to request an old Melody Maker interview I had found (I posted about it on some thread here). He must read ILM or know someone who does!

(xpost) Susan, what would you could consider his "straight in disco stuff"?

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

Huh. I heard the World of Echo and other dreamy dub cello stuff first and thought it was great. Then I heard Kiss Me Again, Is It All Over My Face, and Tell You (Today) and really nothing tops those for me. I still need to hear the 24 24 Music album though.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

Jacobs, thanks for Tiger Stripes! Been wanting to hear it again since I heard it played out at one of Messr. Selzer's parties.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

i was thinking "pop your funk" "go bang", and somewhat 'is it all over my face" (which is still a pretty great track)... although those first 2 i believe there were other contributors??

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, Go Bang. I knew I was forgetting one there.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

at the risk of repeating myself...but what about the full length version of Kiss Me Again! It just got bootlegged on vinyl, I think, and has appeared on I think at least 2 recent mix CDs, perhaps in response to the fact that it's been so lost, appearing on neither Disco Not Disco or the World of Arthur Russell. It's really drastically different then the 6 minute edit version on Disco Not Disco. They are both wonderful though.

Also, the version of Go Bang most people know is the Francois K mix, which is a bit more sane then the original version of 24-24 Music.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

How can one find this 24-24 music is it a full LP, has it seen a CD release. And who is Peter Zummo?

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

it's a full LP and has only been bootlegged on vinyl, far as I know, though maybe there's been bootleg CDs.

Peter Zummo can be read about here:

http://www.scaruffi.com/avant/zummo.html

he was a downtown guy hanging out with a bunch of the minimalist types. Interesting to see that Russell appears on his Experimenting with Household Chemicals LP as well, you gonna post that one as well, stirmonster?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

Thank you for the information about Zummo. There seems to be a market for a lot of this sort of music, perhaps a small one, but enough people want this sort of music I am surprized reissues take so long in coming.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)

I didn't really "get" the whole arthur russell thing until a few months ago, when I was walking home late one night and listening to the optimo psyche-out mix, and the version of "kiss me again" that dan's referring to came on. it was a revelatory moment.

― spruce bruce (haitch), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of, what do y'all think of Polmo Polpo's cover of Kiss Me Again?

http://www.discogs.com/release/397676

― gnippiks, Friday, 19 August 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

"Tiger Stripes" is...wow!! thk U very much. afraid to listen to zummo track or polp's cover yet. tiger stripes made me think again (sorry) about those talking heads guitars. what is up with that? -i want to know finally. is there a common denom. to both a.r. and byrne's sound...someone else? someone preceding them i don't know about? or is one stealing from the other? not sure why i care...maybe b/c it fits so well with what ar was doing and i REALLY like his stuff but barely have liked t.h.'s stuff. ---- except a few tracks which feature these bouncy keyboard sounding guitars.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

the bside to tiger stripes i can't hold you is great too...will dig out and post

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

I only have the A side for tiger stripes, I would love to have the flip side. About the Talking Heads, I believe Arthur Russell was on the verge of joinning the band at one point, and David Byrne Did play guitar on Arthur's muisc. Exactly which song I've forgotten. For years I have felt like I should like talking head, and have listened repeatedly to most of their albums with no luck. I just can't seem to like their music. I admire David's promotion of different gobal music, and have like his brazilian classic comp. If someone could explain their music to me maybe....

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:18 (twenty years ago)

You get it or you don't, simple as that. Why worry if you can't get into it? Having said that, Byrne's on fire on "Kiss Me Again".

― willem (willem), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

thanks twitch, that's *amazing*.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

the freak out guitar on 'kiss me again' is as willem points, out david byrne on fire!

dan, i've only got 'experimenting with household chemicals' on cd which means i have no idea where it is. must have a look for it. talking of cds, your cd just arrived in the post! can't wait to check it out.

here's one more. it's arthur performing on peter gordon's 1986, 'innocent' lp.

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=23AQAHOZ6SXFK07JU6VEBFE49I

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:18 (twenty years ago)

Zummo with an X appears to be still available on vinyl.

http://www.frogpeak.org/fpartists/fpzummo.html

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

Dan, where is the boot of "Kiss Me Again" floating around at? i picked up the "go bang" one.
Steve Audika told me that the freak-out at the end of that longer "Kiss Me" jam is David Byrne and Henry Flynt! which i almost still don't believe, mostly as i don't hear Flynt.
Susan, i love AR but still don't dig T-Heads, so no worries. i do think the roots of that guitar sound are in highlife and ju-ju, the music of King Sunny Ade.

― b8a, Friday, 19 August 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

I am surprized reissues take so long in coming

It's HARD!

I can't remember where I saw the boot, maybe flexx.be? Henry Flynt? That's crazy, didn't know that.

I like the Talking Heads and Russell fans should check out I Zimbra and David Byrne's vocal appearance on Robert Fripp's disco song Under Heavy Manners.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

About that guitar sound -- the ju-ju and highlife connections are possible but to me it sounds like a downtown-y (i.e. raw and angular a la Arto Lindsay, et.al) style of disco rhythm guitar playing. Am I stating the obvious? This kind of playing has just always sounded New York to me.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

yo black dice

― Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

here's one more. it's arthur performing on peter gordon's 1986, 'innocent' lp.

Wow, thanks for "That Hat" Stirmonster! Another blast from my past (*sigh* - my in-storage vinyl collection awaits a larger NYC apartment for accomodation). I don't know if Peter Gordon/Love of Life Orchestra has previously been discussed in another thread, but folks who like AR and the Downtown scene would probably dig LOLO. And (drummer) David Van Tiegham's recordings from that time as well.

― drewo (drewo), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

The first Love Of Life Orchestra record is the one I really love, disco, horns, art-rock, and Arto and Byrne playing guitar.

Does Black Dice sound like Arthu Russell?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

yeah Jacobs, i also have felt the "need" to understand the TH thing too -not so much b/c i need to like them, but i can't figure out WHY i don't like them. it feels like their music has this obvious 2 layer thing - its split between pop art and something greater underneath (serious and lovely music)-- and you can kinda enjoy both parts separately which fucking annoys me. whereas i think arthur russell's whole deal was he did it all at once - it seems like a totally different approach. but i do love elements of byrne-didn't know he was actually playing with arthur - cool.

"to me it sounds like a downtown-y (i.e. raw and angular a la Arto Lindsay, et.al) style of disco rhythm guitar playing. Am I stating the obvious?" - i was kinda embarrassed to ask b/c i figured this might be the case, but since i don't know much about the sound at that time...well...i'll stop wondering about it now.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

think jeff is ref. the 'high(4)life' git sound of bjorn?

― b8a, Friday, 19 August 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

― Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

i really like the vibe of the music but i can't get over his voice. it's so damned soft. am i the only one?

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

xpost - "i do think the roots of that guitar sound are in highlife and ju-ju, the music of King Sunny Ade" -i missed this part even though it was referred in other post -argh(i'm at work so i tend to skim haphazardly) anyway, i'll check this out, thx.

i tend to like the voice unilaterally.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Polmo Polpo's cover of Kiss Me Again is great. Does anyone here need it? I'll YSI if so.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

yes pls!

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

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https://week-end.bandcamp.com/album/kiss-me-again
Kiss Me Again finally gets a reissue!

― willem, Thursday, 7 November 2024 06:37 (one year ago)

Dickhead move to effectively make it not available to buy digitally (€999). I hate vinyl-only nonsense.

― Soundslike, Thursday, 7 November 2024 13:54 (one year ago)

It must be one of the terms of their licensing agreement with Warner or whoever owns the rights.

― Where did Boo Berry go (Craig D.), Thursday, 7 November 2024 14:03 (one year ago)

licensing from majors, especially Warner, is a nightmare. I'm sure this is on them. The majors have been ok with licensing out material for limited vinyl release or physical-only product, but fees associated with a more expansive release probably prohibitive.

― dan selzer, Thursday, 7 November 2024 14:42 (one year ago)

it is, or at least was available digitally on itunes for years.

the baseball cap is tempting :)

― stirmonster, Thursday, 7 November 2024 20:12 (one year ago)

Managed to order the cap, turned out to be easier than getting an Optimo cap ;)
Bought the 12" too, have got the og Sire release but couldn't resist remaster & liner notes!

― willem, Friday, 8 November 2024 09:27 (one year ago)

$50 for the 12" shipped (US)? Insanity.

― Soundslike, Saturday, 9 November 2024 01:46 (one year ago)

five months pass...

did anyone else go to the Wild Up performances of 24-24 music in LA? I was underwhelmed except for about 10 min about an hour in when they pulled everything back and let the music drift a bit before building back to a big finish. the rest felt brash and celebratory and lacked the mystery, mixed emotions and oddness of the recorded version

― bryan, Sunday, 4 May 2025 15:51 (one year ago)

curious what others thought. the crowd was loving it.

― bryan, Sunday, 4 May 2025 15:52 (one year ago)

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