What is the darkest/hardest music you like?

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Loop hit the sweet spot of being the darkest music I can enjoy and take seriously.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what's possibly "serious" about LOOP?!

― duane, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Dark (in the moody depressing way): Burzum, FILOSOFEM

Dark (in the heavy by borderline goofy way): Sleep, SLEEP'S HOLY MOUNTAIN; JERUSALEM

Dark (in the reflecting the tormented human soul) Johnny Cash, take yer pick

― jodi shapiro (burun), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Merzbow: too many to mention. Rainbow Electronics is a favourite though.
Hanatarash 3.

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

hard: waveform transmission era jeff mills, probably.
dark: joy division, possibly.

― michael wells (michael w.), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't find most Merzbow dark, but rather playful. Call me crazy.

― jodi shapiro (burun), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:11 (twenty-three years ago)

i guess maybe charles manson's "LIE" is....or the reasons i get any kind of frisson or whatev off it are...."dark" in this sense....OK is "dark" the same as "creepily prurient"?

― duane, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:12 (twenty-three years ago)

you're fucking MAD jodi but I love anyway.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Swans

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)

MAD? You call me MAD? Must I start a "Merzbow: it's not just noise, I swear it" thread?

― jodi shapiro (burun), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I do agree with jodi though, most of the Merzbow material I've heard was not too dark/depressive - harsh and noisy of course, but fairly playful in its experimentation, the filtering, the deconstruction, the layering of variously coloured noises. Definitely not as singlemindedly suffocating in pitch black melancholia in approach as Burzum (musically & lyrically) or Cash (lyrically).

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)

yes I agree. i was joking.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

no, didn't mean dark. merzbow hard. satanstornade might be dark tho.

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:34 (twenty-three years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc300/c375/c37560883n7.jpg

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:44 (twenty-three years ago)

musical mobb.
see hot 2step traxor thread

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 24 February 2003 23:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Good call on the Frederick Thordendal's Special Defects, that was a pretty intense record for me when I was in high school (I don't know when the original came out, but it was the one that is all one track).

Actually the most intense thing about it was probably that it made me annoyed counting out time signatures the whole time.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Jordon, I can't count that fast (or high).

---Oh, i also get into a bit of George Crumb's work; it's like descending into hell -- try that you nihilistic bastards.

― christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Dropdead, Reversal of Man, Born Against, early Black Dice, early Swans... Sightings maybe? I'm not sure if that counts as 'hard.'

― Ian Johnson, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)

sightings aren't just 'hard,' they're HAWD.

― your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:51 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...

Fushitsusha, Swans, Birthday Party, Johnny Cash

― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Friday, 23 May 2003 12:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Opeth - Deliverance

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Friday, 23 May 2003 13:26 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm just glad someone else brought up Sleep; i'm telling you, it's the power of pure Orange Amplification! XD

― janni (janni), Friday, 23 May 2003 13:37 (twenty-three years ago)

darkest: joy division.
hardest: atari teenage riot.

― praying mantis (praying mantis), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Wait...

Can it be?...

A thread on "dark" and "hard" music, and we've made it this far without one mention of the man often referred to as "the Prince of Darkness", Mr. Miles friggin Davis?

One of the only musicians whose music has honest-to-God SCARED me, that man is.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:27 (twenty-three years ago)

split by lush.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

what's possibly "serious" about LOOP?!

the riffs and the hair, man.... (actually I really like the sounds rhythms and textures, they could have been called Hawkwind Division)

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 23 May 2003 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

also, most metal just makes me giggle.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 23 May 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I really enjoy early eighties SPK, especially Leichenschrei.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Friday, 23 May 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

They had a big influence on Swans BTW.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Friday, 23 May 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Doom/sludge metal to which I'm partial: Floor, Eyehategod, and especially the mighty Toadliquor, mercifully rescued from obscurity by Southern Records, godbless'em.

Siouxsie's "Nicotine Stain" also one of the scarier tunes I've ever heard; brilliantly sampled by Mad Professor on his remix for Massive Attack's "Superpredators."

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 23 May 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

one of the darkest albums i know is 'turn loose the swans' by my dying bride.
that said, i think certain songs/albums by say swans or ministry are pretty dark on that stripped back, nihilistic level.

― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:00 (sixteen years ago)

i'm always looking for dark/depressing stuff. who am i kidding?

― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:01 (sixteen years ago)

Swans.

― Alex in NYC, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:02 (sixteen years ago)

HAHAHA I'm listening to DARKSPACE III right now!!!! Like, before I saw this thread!

There's your answer.

― should probably be practising shorthand (country matters), Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:03 (sixteen years ago)

don't know them. do you recommend?

― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:04 (sixteen years ago)

It's absolutely stone-dead phenomenal. In my decade top 20, probably, once I get my head round it all. You'll go mental for it.

― should probably be practising shorthand (country matters), Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:05 (sixteen years ago)

(III is the album, btw)

― should probably be practising shorthand (country matters), Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:05 (sixteen years ago)

cheers man. jumping on the case right now...

― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:07 (sixteen years ago)

am going out now but do chronicle your amazement for posterity

― should probably be practising shorthand (country matters), Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:10 (sixteen years ago)

just listened to 'dark 3.14' off that record. astounding. builds up incrementally over 4 minutes, then settles into a kind of groove, then gets unexpectedly fast, then segues into my favourite bit - the atmospheric outro, which benefits as much from its repetitiveness as its sense of epic vacuousness ... what a journey. fantastic stuff :)

― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:38 (sixteen years ago)

You sure you weren't listening to the new Muse by mistake.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:42 (sixteen years ago)

hahaha. no, but those guys have disturbingly similar formula, it's true.

― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:53 (sixteen years ago)

only time i've ever expressed any interest in muse was when i had to feign it in order to keep things on solid ground with the missus.

― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 26 September 2009 15:09 (sixteen years ago)

Don't people get burned out going down this path eventually? You end up collecting perverse shit like.....Little Marcy or records by primitives who clearly lack talent.

― MCCCXI (u s steel), Saturday, 26 September 2009 15:51 (sixteen years ago)

That said, Diamanda Galas is pretty bone-chilling. At least she has chops too. Fear the chops!

― MCCCXI (u s steel), Saturday, 26 September 2009 15:52 (sixteen years ago)

You end up collecting perverse shit like.....Little Marcy

If you came up with that reference before reading my first post way back when I salute you.

(My current real answer is probably Yanni. Wait...)

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 September 2009 16:00 (sixteen years ago)

Hardest: Swans
Darkest: Stephen Jesse Bernstein's Prison, when one considers his poetic persona wasn't a character, but unmediated.

― Drove away his head. (Derelict), Saturday, 26 September 2009 16:10 (sixteen years ago)

"dsrk" and "hard" are different qualities.

"Hard" but not "dark": Hecker (florian, not tim), Liturgy, Xenakis, Sciarrino

"Dark" but not "hard": Leonard Cohen circa "Songs of Love and Hate", Death in June, Blood Axis

"Dark" and "Hard": Khanate, Burning Witch, Sutcliffe Jugend, Maurizio Bianchi

The "darkest" record i know is Thee Last Supper, an LP of field recordings released by T.O.P.Y. of the night of the mass suicide at Jonestown. You can hear Jim Jones hectoring and lecturing people to commit suicide and in the background you can hear cult members (and their infants) screaming in distress and panic as they die.

― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, 26 September 2009 16:16 (sixteen years ago)

Hecker (florian, not tim)

Haha, I was about to say!

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 September 2009 16:16 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.epsilonminus.com/darquedungeon/dd_7.gif

― omar little, Saturday, 26 September 2009 16:20 (sixteen years ago)

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I would like to say something obscure and hip but realistically it's just Slayer.

― no gut busting joke can change history (polyphonic), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:57 (fifteen years ago)

hahahaha thank god you've allowed me to retract that rather stupid joke - would listen to those records! my favourite foetus song is narrated from a paedophile's POV - sometimes this stuff is highly compelling psychological engagement rather than exploitative trash

― cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:57 (fifteen years ago)

my actual answer to this question? tough - would probably say something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf0qaIzaYDc

or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkh2W0Le4Mo

^^^^^^^so, so, so, so, so, so good

― cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 20:07 (fifteen years ago)

ARGH here's a version that DOESN'T chop off the last 30 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBHnJNEbNZw

― cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 20:08 (fifteen years ago)

Xasthur can play too but I'm not linking any of his stuff tonight.

― cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)

Carcass, Esoteric, Harvey Milk, dälek, Nattens madrigal

― Brad C., Monday, 20 September 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)

ok I really like three of those and would probably dig the other two so yeah that post can be added to my own tentative list

― cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 20:24 (fifteen years ago)

dälek is probably my favourite discovery of 2010 and their stuff kills like little else...esoteric's last album was a terrifying, overwhelming blinder, nattens madrigal is fury on tape

― cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 20:26 (fifteen years ago)

Harvey Milk are probably mine too.

― Neil S, Monday, 20 September 2010 20:34 (fifteen years ago)

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