Don't go for second best, baby. Put your ILM ARTIST POLL #31: MADONNA to the test.

i can't listen to it. but that's just me. and my own nostalgia.

I grew up with both The Immaculate Collection and Substance. I love both to death

exactly. and i totally understand that.

has to be said the Substance 'Sub Culture' is a wretched thing compared to t Low Life one.

Assume Scott also prefers the original Temptation as well. Substance is great but does have flaws.

has to be said the Substance 'Sub Culture' is a wretched thing compared to t Low Life one.

I disagree with this so much. The original "Sub Culture" is one of the reasons why I can't listen to Low-Life

some of the Otis Redding fadeouts made me yell, like WAIT WAIT WAIT THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER PART OF THE SONG YOU'RE GONNA MISS noooooooooooooooooooo

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha OTM.

Always gotten the sense that once Dan decides he dislikes something he then goes into a cave somewhere and cuts up the bodies of small children with the song on loop for five hours just so he can preserve that negative reaction forever.

loool

"gambler" was my huge (re)discovery of this poll. i had probably heard it at some point but not so much that i was familiar with it, if i was doing a ballot now it'd prob make it.

(i could only find the extended dance mix, i assume the original is not hugely different?)

I can't help killing these kids,
I go deeper and deeper the more kids I kill.

My knife sinks deeper and deeper the harder I stab

Daddy couldn't be more wrong

I don't completely hate "Deeper and Deeper" as a song, I just really dislike the production choices aside from the one element Madonna insisted be there.

Shep Pettibone is a menace.

Not gonna let Shep get away.

what's "shep" even short for?

Sheptacular

otm

apparently "Robert"

I don't completely hate "Deeper and Deeper" as a song, I just really dislike the production choices aside from the one element Madonna insisted be there.

Shep Pettibone is a menace.

― Darth Icky (DJP), Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:18 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have to agree with Dan here. It's a great song! But it's not sheet music. It comes to my ears as sound and the sound of it is a wan hell of the wateriest, weakest aspects of digital synthesis. It sounds like its been copied on a mid-90s color photocopier ten times.

And I think a lot of Erotica sounds great.

i feel like the end of "Deeper And Deeper" is taunting me, like "yes, I placed higher than 'Vogue' but here's a reminder of how much better a song that is!"

I just don't like people telling me to "come on" anything.

i dunno, i followed the instructions of "Come On Eileen" and was pretty happy with the results

unless it's a husband, wife, or Quiet Riot.

I like how Shep basically took all of the things that made "Vogue" worked and then beat them into a bloody, misshapen pulp, almost like he was parodying himself

was he one of main innovators of that pumped up robotic dance sound of the C+C Music Factory era or did it all kind of just happen without too much influence from any one individual?

see also "get to it"

was he one of main innovators of that pumped up robotic dance sound of the C+C Music Factory era or did it all kind of just happen without too much influence from any one individual?

He was one of the main players at the time; I don't know if I would necessarily call him an innovator of that sound just because I don't know the trajectories of all of the producers of that era. He definitely was one of the first "multiple remixes on the single" people.

I mean, C+C themselves were produced by C+C: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clivill%C3%A9s_and_Cole_production_discography

before Madonna he was known for New Order-Pet Shop Boys remixes

C+C were definite innovators! shep not so much.

Steve "Silk" Hurley above all.

why do all these guys have dumb nicknames

you mean dance producers or everyone on ilx

Mutt Petitbone

everyone on ilx, you in particular :P

xpost

i mean there are a ton of new york dance people i would have liked madonna to work with other than shep but its obvious that she liked him and liked working with him so there you go. it worked for THEM. and her. she felt comfortable with him.

the big problem I have with Shep is that he is Satan

lol

i love so much of what C+C did in the 80's it isn't even funny. and it should be noted that they - as new york guys - produced the greatest track on one of the earliest and most influential albums devoted to the chicago house sound.

C+C in the 80s POX, pls?

fab remix of Natalie Cole's "Pink Cadillac" and love "Just a Touch" and Aretha's "A Deeper Love."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k2d6ZEzpdI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUg6ATxY2Ks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFBwYam4-Q8

The unnamed secret track on Gonna Make You Sweat is all-time awesome

oh don't get me started i gotta go clean rekkerds!!

brat pack 12 inch is one of my favorite things on earth. that's them and omar santana and others. original do it properly obviously one of the ur-texts of nyc latin house/freestyle and a work of genius. but they really did so much. before their genius chicago/euro formula took them to the top.

well, genius in the sense that they took an already distilled and perfected formula and made it into some sort of international juggernaut of inescapability. there is a genius to that.

they introduced the masses to house music and belgian new beat anyway. even if people grew weary of the jock jam aspects.

Suffice it to say, I'm on the Shep end of this particular spectrum.