Don't go for second best, baby. Put your ILM ARTIST POLL #31: MADONNA to the test.

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maybe they're just too weighty iconic cultural artifacts to feel intimately connected to idk

Think maybe everyone in the thread just voted for whatever was on the radio when they were 10?

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:30 (thirteen years ago)

The guitars in "Lucky Star" are so extra tangy.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:31 (thirteen years ago)

Interviewer: You wrote "Lucky Star" alone. Did you write it on guitar?

Madonna: No, I wrote in on synthesizer.

Interviewer: Yeah? You say you’re not a musician and yet you play guitar and keyboards.

Madonna: I know, but I’m lazy and I don’t practice because I’ve gotten involved with so many other things in my life, and I just had to make a sacrifice.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:33 (thirteen years ago)

Does that mean she made up that synth intro thing?

billstevejim, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:34 (thirteen years ago)

Anyone else think this is great?

I think that is a terrible, tbh; the tempo change makes no sense, they screw up the chord progression at the end up of the intro, the dynamics are completely arbitrary, the transition back from the block vocal to the soloists is clunky, the three soloists can't sing in unison together, and there is little to no connection to what they're singing, plus the whole thing is ragged and messy

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:34 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, but isn't it great?

scott seward, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:35 (thirteen years ago)

haha

Johnny Fever, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:35 (thirteen years ago)

He convinced me.

ArchCarrier, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:35 (thirteen years ago)

btw the interview excerpt's from 1989. She plays guitar a little better now.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:36 (thirteen years ago)

fascinated by madonna talking about patrick hernandez w/dick clark in the context of "i got into the music industry that way." i used to think there was a sea change somewhere in the '90s where aspiring musicians' ambitions changed from wanting to make it in "music" to wanting to make it in "the music industry," which always seemed like a very telling, and different, ambition, even if it often had the same result. the business-schooling of pop. i never would have associated that kind of language with a young madonna, nakedly ambitious as she was. but maybe it started way before that and i just wasn't aware.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:36 (thirteen years ago)

TOO LOW!

http://i.imgur.com/UopBWJ1.jpg

05. "LIVE TO TELL" from True Blue (1986) [35 votes, 970 points, 5 first place votes]

Johnny Fever, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:38 (thirteen years ago)

fascinated by madonna talking about patrick hernandez w/dick clark in the context of "i got into the music industry that way." i used to think there was a sea change somewhere in the '90s where aspiring musicians' ambitions changed from wanting to make it in "music" to wanting to make it in "the music industry," which always seemed like a very telling, and different, ambitio

Probably earlier. Neil Tennant in 1989 noted that Bros (lol) spoke of "longevity" in The Business as if they were negotiating stock options.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:38 (thirteen years ago)

way too low

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:38 (thirteen years ago)

5 first place

billstevejim, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:39 (thirteen years ago)

way way way too low

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:39 (thirteen years ago)

wau

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:39 (thirteen years ago)

you are fucking kidding me?

So: The Answers (or something), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:39 (thirteen years ago)

that bridge is really something huh

prolego, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:40 (thirteen years ago)

i love the shit out of "deeper and deeper" but it's not better than "live to tell" okay

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:40 (thirteen years ago)

She has a lot of long songs - 6 of the last 10 are over 5 minutes, and none under 3:39 in the entire countdown.

skip, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:40 (thirteen years ago)

I am sitting here thinking very bemusedly about "Deeper and Deeper" and Erotica fandom overall

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:40 (thirteen years ago)

Think maybe everyone in the thread just voted for whatever was on the radio when they were 10?

no I hate "Ray of Light"

C: (crüt), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:41 (thirteen years ago)

ROBBED!

scott seward, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:41 (thirteen years ago)

whoever thought to cushion the main melody with those little trilling flutelike synths deserves an award every day for the rest of their life

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:41 (thirteen years ago)

I am sitting here bemusedly thinking that 'Live to Tell' is top 5.

fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:42 (thirteen years ago)

is this your expression of bemusement

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110515134334/lyricwiki/images/8/81/The_Time_-_What_Time_Is_It%3F.jpg

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:42 (thirteen years ago)

I mean, the details in the drum reverb, the pizzicato strings running through the chorus, the complimentary synth tones, and THE BRIDGE

"Live To Tell" is stellar

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:42 (thirteen years ago)

the bridge slays me every time, that guitar progression under "...the beating of my heart"...

So: The Answers (or something), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:43 (thirteen years ago)

Looks, let's agree to agree that everything that doesn't make #1 in this top 10 is too low.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:43 (thirteen years ago)

the way the song drops off into nothing before the bridge

it permanently surprises

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:43 (thirteen years ago)

I like to think Patrick Leonard said "OK, we're done" and Madonna saying, "No, wait -- I have an idea. 'If I ran away...'" and Leonard losing his shit.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:43 (thirteen years ago)

xxpost but especially the one that landed at #10.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:43 (thirteen years ago)

the counterpoint in the bridge is beautiful

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:44 (thirteen years ago)

you motherfuckers thinking bemusedly about 'deeper and deeper' need to step the fuck off imo. 'live to tell' at five is the shocker of the poll though (over 'vogue' at ten).

balls, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

"Live To Tell" was one of the first 7" singles I ever purchased

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

whoever said that madonna is great pop balladeer upthread is so OTM. considering she gives the public image of being absolutely and rigorously powerful, dominant and in control it's astonishing how well she pulls off vulnerability (and it's preciely that which makes it so affecting)

prolego, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

maybe they're just too weighty iconic cultural artifacts to feel intimately connected to idk

"like a prayer" is a weighty iconic cultural artefact that i feel v intimately connected to - maybe it really helps if you have a religious upbringing. i love "vogue" but she kinda of trumped herself on that with erotica.

i like "live to tell" a lot but didn't vote for it, it's no "deeper & deeper" innit

r&b morcilla (lex pretend), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

xxxxpost and also especially the one that landed at #9.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:46 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah "Deeper and Deeper" is not to be fucked with. I briefly considered leaving it off my ballot in favor of another deep cut from that album, but then reality slapped me back into shape.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:46 (thirteen years ago)

"Deeper and Deeper" is massively overrated

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:46 (thirteen years ago)

BITCH *slap*

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:46 (thirteen years ago)

"cinematic" prob an overused term in music crit, but "live to tell" is cinematic

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:47 (thirteen years ago)

yeah D&D is weak. forgot it existed until the past 2 weeks.

billstevejim, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:48 (thirteen years ago)

i like "live to tell" a lot but...it's no "deeper & deeper" innit

o_O

Johnny Fever, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:48 (thirteen years ago)

i did vote for it though. :/

billstevejim, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:48 (thirteen years ago)

"deeper and deeper" is my favourite madonna song which, logically, means that it is the greatest pop song...ever

r&b morcilla (lex pretend), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:48 (thirteen years ago)

'Oh Father' > 'Live to Tell'. Just barely though.

ArchCarrier, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:49 (thirteen years ago)

"Deeper and Deeper" has the exact same gross tacky sheen that makes so much of Introspective off-putting and hard for me to listen to

basically my default position about 80% of the time is "fuck Shep Pettibone"

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:50 (thirteen years ago)

They're on equal footing imo. Dan hates Oh Father for some reason. xp

Johnny Fever, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:50 (thirteen years ago)

"Deeper and Deeper" is massively overrated

I think we've found your blind spot.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Monday, 11 March 2013 19:51 (thirteen years ago)


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