Daft Punks's "Discovery" : Classic or Dud

i hope you're taking notes

your posts are repetitive

:-p

Discovery is way less repetitive than Daft Punk's other albums tho.

xp haaa

Anyway the last sentence of that post was a little off mark, yeah. I was mostly just rattling off some things that characterize Daft Punk's sound/aesthetic that could be divisive. The repetition definitely isn't as heavy on Discovery as their other albums, although I'd still say there are a LOT of repetitive/minimal elements. That's just my perception tho & certainly not something I'd expect e.g. house music heads to agree with.

I just remember getting Discovery in 2001, when I was 13 & not familiar with many different kinds of music, and to me things like "Crescendolls" and "Superheroes" were super repetitive because I wasn't used to music where unrelenting 1-2 bar loops were right at the front of the mix.

n.b. I still thought those songs were cool and exciting. especially "Superheroes" because of the ending.

i think crut's post applies a lot more to Homework which was the first DP album I got. this was like 2003 but I was really into Underworld and Orbital and upon hearing DP my first reaction was "these guys really don't know how to build up a track". of course that is my 17 year old self saying this. I think the truth is that there are certain aspects of DP's house that you really have to buy into and ultimately I don't think they have the talent that Underworld has. Discovery is even more stylized (and to be honest I find it hard to think of a more influential album from the decade - the Discovery sound is everywhere right now), but the good vibes are a lot more front and center. I don't really consider it "repetitive" - at least not in comparison to their other albums! I loved Alive 2007 so much because it injected that sound into the other material.

a lot of people just don't like house music at all

and they will be first against the wall...

lol they're already against the wall

"high life" 4Ever.

ha touche xp

I have found myself against the wall at quite a few house clubs.

the idea of repetition as a negative thing, or something specific to (dance) (music) any one form, is an alien idea to me. to even isolate it in that way just feels so strange.

By the way, I've always found that this track (released 2000) kinda beat DP at their own game and predicts the Discovery sound quite well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTAqMhUb2Fo

is the chord progression in Digital Love really unresolved? in my brain it resolves on the fourth chord. what am i missing

go in through the air go in through the air go in through the air go in through the air go in through the air go in through the air go in through the air go in through the air go in through the air go inthrzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 4 March 2013 13:50 (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i thought that song was golf in the air

― dog latin, Monday, 4 March 2013 14:16 (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

love in the air?

― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Monday, 4 March 2013 14:31 (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gophers

― ledge, Monday, 4 March 2013 14:33 (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

up into the air

― þjóðaratkvæðagreiðsla (clouds), Monday, 4 March 2013 14:39 (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh wait no

― þjóðaratkvæðagreiðsla (clouds), Monday, 4 March 2013 14:40 (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dolphins in the air. not gophers.

we're up a Mexican monkey

Get your boopy on

Did anyone else listen to "Something About Us" on repeat for like two hours after that episode of I May Destroy You or just me

I mean, I just do that periodically. While sitting in the dark. Weeping.

I have most def cried while listening to "Superheroes." That 'un and "Face to Face" are my favorites…

yeah I feel oceans of emotion from “something”. And the cut ups in “face to faces...

Watched Interstella 5555 again and it's just overwhelming how good this record is on so many levels, and how perfectly executed the videos were as an accompaniment. Even the more simple, repetitive tracks somehow feel maximal and huge and memorable. Not a single track feels like it wears out its welcome (despite Too Long's self referential nature towards this), and it also boasts two of my favorite guitar solos/recordings of all time with Aerodynamic and Digital Love

I think I found the most essential 10-hour loop video on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E6cpNRn8eY

"Too Long" definitely not too long, maybe my favorite track on the album

Who’s playing the guitar solos on Discovery btw? Or are those sampled too?

I don’t know if I suck at looking for credits but I haven’t seem evidence of the solos being sampled but there’s no guitar credits either.

Mostly Guy-Man:

de Homem-Christo estimates that half of the sampled material on Discovery was actually played live originally. “I play more guitar usually,” he says, “and Thomas plays more keyboards and bass.” But they both play all three instruments. “There's no ego involved. We don't argue about who's playing what. You can get the sound of a guitar with a keyboard, or the opposite. We don't really care about who's doing what as long as it's well-done. At the same time, when you use samples, you don't have this problem. When you use a sampler, nobody plays on it, so the problem of the ego of the musician is not really there. For everything that we do, no matter how you get to the results, the important thing is the result.”

Discovery includes only four outside samples — not much for a contemporary dance record. “Around this, we play all the instruments, which are mainly vintage keyboards and guitars, so it's a mixture of a few samples and us playing around it. We don't always use the original sounds of the keyboards or the guitars, because we put on so many effects or distortions so that sometimes you think it's a guitar but maybe it's not.”

The French twosome also like to alter their original source material to create something new, whether it's a synth or a guitar. “We don't use too much of the original sound of the instruments; it's really more about how we put effects on it after that,” he explains. “It's not like we're making a track and saying, ‘Oh yes, I need a Flying V on this one.’ We take a guitar we have {usually a Fender Stratocaster} and then try to make it sound different with the effects.”

also

“On ‘Digital Love,’ you get this Supertramp vibe on the bridge,” remarks de Homem-Christo. “We didn't sample Supertramp, but we had the original Wurlitzer piano they used, so we thought it would be more fun to have the original instrument and mess around with it."

why don't you play the gaaaaaaaaame

only four outside samples

Uhh

lol yeah I haven't heard the record in a decade and I can already think of about seven

There’s only 4 credited samples on Discovery: Barry Manilow, Edwin Birdsong, George Duke and The Imperials.

From wikipedia:

A significant amount of sampling is present on the album. Rather than creating new music using only the samples, Daft Punk worked with them by writing and performing additional parts. The Discovery liner notes specify permitted use of samples for four tracks on the album: Part of George Duke's "I Love You More" is featured in "Digital Love"; Edwin Birdsong's "Cola Bottle Baby" was sampled for "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"; The Imperials' song "Can You Imagine" is used for "Crescendolls"; Barry Manilow's "Who's Been Sleeping in My Bed" is credited for "Superheroes". It is believed that "One More Time" contains a sample of Eddie Johns' song "More Spell on You", which was reported to be officially cleared despite it being uncredited in the Discovery liner notes.

Several websites list many other samples present on the album, but Bangalter has stated that half of the samples he had seen listed are not true. He also stated the sampling they do is legitimately done, not something they try to hide. Bangalter elaborated that the newly recorded elements were implemented in a way that was equivalent to "creating fake samples ... where people think there are samples from disco records or funk records." Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo estimated that half of the sampled material on Discovery was played live and re-recorded by the duo, and emphasized that the resulting quality of the music was more important than the ego of who played which instruments.

theres a part that sounds like get down saturday night by oliver cheatham but its not sampled

I guess that means that besides those 4 samples, they deny the rest? I guess they’re avoiding a lawsuit, because even if they were recreating live a sample it still needs credit no?

The One More Time sample is 100% Eddie Johns and it has been proved in numerous youtube recreations.

I guess that means that besides those 4 samples, they deny the rest? I guess they’re avoiding a lawsuit, because even if they were recreating live a sample it still needs credit no?

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, February 23, 2021 10:24 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

only if its a melody, not a texture or a particular wirlitzer or a rhythmic feel

Yeah I didn't mean the soundalike stuff like the Supertramp Wurlitzer, but actual samples audio. Like, there's no way the "High Life" sample was recreated. "Face to Face" also has some less obvious samples

“high life” is sped up tavares

One More Time's sample is a fifth that was cleared, but the deal apparently didn't require credit.

Bangalter suggested in 2007 that Sister Sledge, ELO and Cerrone on this list were not correct. It's possible that they were thinking in terms of a chunk of melody large enough to count for composition, or that inspired the track, rather than half a second of percussion.

i'm guessing they did just recreate most of the samples they did use and a lot of those "samples" are just tiny fragments so they could either get away with the recreation (because they aren't melodic content as deej said) or managed to negotiate deals where they didn't need to formally credit the samples or give writing credits like they did for the four they did credit. probably a mix of both. some of them are so obvious i figure they surely would have gotten sued by now if they hadn't done things properly

i know jens lekman managed to get away with the same sort of thing for night falls over kortedala, he talked in interviews about recreating most of the small samples he wanted to use to avoid having to pay for them and people have dug up a lot more than are credited, though they're generally small textural things. the biggest ones that form the backbones of songs etc. were all credited there

That’s true... I don’t know much about laws regarding samples but iirc if it’s tranformed in a way it doesn’t sound similar to the original or the sample is too short to be substantial you don’t even need clearance - the argument being that you’re not really doing any financial harm to the original artist.

That used to be years ago though, I’ve seen artists nowadays giving credit for even a second of sampling so I guess the rules could have changed in the past 20 years since Discovery was released.

The denying of samples is 1000% bullshit and they are trying to cover their asses. Dozens of youtubers with ++ abelton skills have recreated much of the album from the original samples.

wgaf

Dozens of youtubers with ++ abelton skills have recreated much of the album from the original samples

link some good ones?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I85DUucY_ek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mofmkEmcsxE

etc.