PaulBaran: The hissing on a lover loves is a distancing technique for definite, to prevent the song from being pleasant, to undercut the relative ease of the melody in comparison with whats gone before...
― gek-opel, Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:40 (twenty years ago)
yes, your observation is spot on and wholly consistent with the procedures he uses in pyschic disruption, as well as that hissing, you can also hear the guitar veer of atonally as well on that song. Most great music, manipulates different emotions; Here Mr Engel opts to manipulate our fear, just as global governments and corporations do.
― PaulBaran, Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:55 (twenty years ago)
like jesse. ok, when i listen to it now i know that it's somehow about elvis' dead brother and the twin towers, and there's a guitar reference to jailhouse rock, and the pow pows are the planes hitting the towers...
but damned if i know what elvis' dead brother has to do with the twin towers, or how they fit together in the song, other than that they lyrics seem to morph back and forth between the two subjects, or what all these references actually communicate in the end
which doesn't make the song any less powerful, i'm quite happy to listen to it without figuring it out as if it were a code. but i'm also not convinced there really is anything to figure out at the end of the day.
― boychild, Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)
like hand me ups. ok, its about reality tv/global celebrity culture etc. and sw's commentary on that is to bring in the old artist-as-jesus, crucified for the spectacle of the masses, allegory.
not exactly subtle, or original.
― boychild, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:04 (twenty years ago)
― boychild, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)
Isn't that what defines great art. A work which simultaneously allows you to stand back as a spectator and take in the whole effect of it, while it merits enough elusivness to elcit a range of critical responses, ranging from " Fuck me to the socio-political undercurrents of this are infinite X,Y,and mr Zebedee". You can enjoy it on multiple levels, no matter which way you are mentally and emotionally orientated towards it. Your response isn't less valid than mine, it's just as unique.
Boychild " Go seek the Lady" ;)
― PaulBaran, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)
Paul.
― PaulBaran, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)
but if someone has a good explanation of what, say, jesse is supposed to actually mean, beyond listing all the reference points, i'd like to hear it!
― boychild, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)
― amateurist0, Friday, 7 April 2006 06:05 (twenty years ago)
words
― Clara P., Friday, 7 April 2006 06:09 (twenty years ago)
― Scott fan, Friday, 7 April 2006 07:34 (twenty years ago)
Well, to be precise, it's one of his only vocals in years!
I listened to "Tilt" recently for the first time in ages, it's an album that gets less impressive the more you listen to it. Still looking forward to the new 'un tho, of course!
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 7 April 2006 08:11 (twenty years ago)
Do tell — I've been listening to it the last few days myself...
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:33 (twenty years ago)
Geri
― Geraldine McGuckin (2raggedsoldiers), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)
― gek-opel, Friday, 7 April 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)
― gek-opel, Friday, 7 April 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)
― snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 7 April 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)
― snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 7 April 2006 18:39 (twenty years ago)
― gek-opel, Friday, 7 April 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)
― PaulBaran, Friday, 7 April 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Saturday, 8 April 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Saturday, 8 April 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)
Seeing that "Jesse" has a visual element all prepared for the upcoming doc, who would direct the video for "Cossacks Are" aside from SW himself?
― Erick H (Erick H), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:46 (twenty years ago)
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:54 (twenty years ago)
http://www.4ad.com/releases/
― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 8 April 2006 20:13 (twenty years ago)
for those interested in analysis found this disection of the lyrics for "Tilt" in an old ILM discussion....
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:00 (twenty years ago)
― boychild, Monday, 10 April 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:50 (twenty years ago)
'A moving ariafor a vanishingstyle of mind'
'A noble debuttackling vertiginousdemands'
'Has absence eversounded so eloquentso sadI doubt it?'
With an armacross thetorso
Face onthe nails
Face onthe palemonkeynails
'Touching in theshattered livesit unearths'
'A nocturnefilled withglorious ideas'
'A chillingexplorationof eroticconsumption'
Cossacks arecharging in
Charging intofields ofwhite roses
"That's anice suit""That's aswanky suit"
"Been a popelike no other"
"I'm lookingfor a goodcowboy"
'A rare outcrymakes you leada larger life'
'You could easilypicture this inthe current topten'
'Medieval savagerycalculated cruelty'
'Its hard to pickthe worst moment'
― Erick H (Erick H), Monday, 10 April 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:00 (twenty years ago)
i totally agree with this assessment, though sw himself denied it.
― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 01:39 (twenty years ago)
having read the lyrics and the notes now, i'm even less inclined to believe there is a meaning to be extracted from most of these songs now. he may say, or have once said, that every
― boychild, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 04:04 (twenty years ago)
that every moment--music, lyrics--of each song is intended to convey a specific meaning. but if that's really the case, that meaning is so hidden/recessive that it will never be available to anyone other than scott himself
― boychild, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 04:06 (twenty years ago)
― boychild, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 04:07 (twenty years ago)
(Reuters Tuesday, February 22, 2005) Bush was asked by a French reporter if relations were now good enough for Bush to invite Chirac to his Crawford, Texas, and ranch, an honour bestowed by Bush on his closest allies.
"I'm looking for a good cowboy," Bush responded.
(Guardian Unlimited book review/The Pope in Winter: The Dark Face of John Paul II's PapacySaturday February 12, 2005)John Paul II, the Polish pope, born Karol Wojtyla 84 years ago in Wadowice, is perhaps the most extraordinary and influential Christian of modern times. He has "been a pope like no other": not just because of his longevity; not just for supplanting the centuries-old tradition that popes must be Italian;....
(Sunday Times book review /Slavenka Drakuliæ :The Taste of a ManAbacus March 1998) 'Astonishingly sensuous... a chilling exploration of erotic consumption... engrossing' -- Sunday Times
An easy google search will back up these results.
― tizolite, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 09:21 (twenty years ago)
(BBC news /Tuesday, 12 February, 2002/ "Milosevic accused of 'medieval savagery")Prosecutor Carla Del Ponte:"Some of the incidents revealed an almost medieval savagery and a calculated cruelty that went far beyond the bounds of legitimate warfare"
― tizolite, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:03 (twenty years ago)
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:46 (twenty years ago)
― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:54 (twenty years ago)
As we are for every other song ever as well.
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 13:04 (twenty years ago)
The Drift (1989). Directed by John Aes-Nihil, based on the Tennessee Williams novel.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0183015/fullcredits
His website Archives of Aesthetic Nihilism looks interestinghttp://www.aes-nihil.com/
― Scott fan, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 13:49 (twenty years ago)
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)
― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)
― the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)
― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)
― the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)
dadmomsisdriving inthe black car
dadmomsissighting onthe white line
long come somethingin a blindinglight
long gone somethingin a blindinglight
dead all deadooh all dead
bloody footbloody head
eat the nosefor christmas
eat the toesfor lent
eat the carfor eat-a-car
send the bonesto kent
― Cap'n Groovy, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:50 (twenty years ago)