Simon Reynolds - C or D

Why not? That seems as relevant and vital a way of responding to things as any other; and probably better than if you reverse the polarities, and like nasty things and dislike nice things.

But in truth, I probably don't really know what this discussion is about any more, or was at that point, or whatever; never mind.

I think this might be one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

Also Tim, do you have some kind of cult set up - or at least a PayPal account so that we can just send you a portion of our income?

Yeah I'm finding this hard to believe myself.

I thought it was kinda bland in a WorldMusik(RegisteredTrademark) kinda way. But I will admit that I only listened to it once, so it's possible that I dismissed it too soon. I can be cruel when I have too much to listen to.

-- Jedmond (jedmon...), October 8th, 2005. (Jedmond) (later)

That's completely wrong. "Boy In Da Corner" entered the top 40 on three seperate occasions (at #40, #39, and a Mercury spike at #23 later in the year). At a rough guess, it may have cracked the US top 200 as well? "Arular" still hasn't gone top 100 in the UK, or top 200 US. Before Antony and the Johnsons won the Mercury, he was at 15,000 sold in the UK and the album had just failed to make top 40 (42? 43? I forget. Obviously, now it's gone top 20, he's probably looking at aroun d80,000). Considering that album came out roughly the same time as "Arular", the idea that it would have sold six times the level whilst achieving chart positions of around 50 to 60 places lower is absolute nonsense.

The 100,000 figure for MIA was for worldwide sales, whereas I'm seeing multiple references for Dizzee having sold 100,000 each for both of his albums in the UK.

* Of course, I don't actually know anybody who voted for the Democrats during the last election.

Also, I think the M.I.A. album is *much* more popular than either Dizzee record in the USA. I don't know *anyone* outside of ILX who owns it. I know a bunch of people who have Arular.

"Showtime" probably sold three times the number of "Boy In Da Corner". 100,000 without going top 20 is a longshot (read "near impossible"). He's not the Violent Femmes, you know?

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so unlike getting stuck on a certain "golden age" era of post-punk white music.

i know what he means that some white fans of black musics can seem a bit over sentimental (?) and limited about the way they treat black music but as well as simply not liking white fans of black music, reynolds just has a problem with black music overall as hes never felt totally able to relate to it, and hes such a raving rockist at heart that he never much liked the soulful end of garage or house, doesnt really like soul, doesnt really like hip hop as such unless its pointing the way 'forward' or whatever. i dont quite get how he likes grime so much really. this idea that black musicians are oblivious to white dj types also works for them (allegedly) being oblivious to white critic types. as if any of the grime mcs give a fuck about any critics.

anyway, its not like only white fans have difficulty adjusting to periods like when hip hop went all glitzy and commercial, or when soul went all electronic in the 80s - reynolds might not be aware of this as hes so busy foaming about white fans of black music, but GASP - quite a lot of black people didnt like it when soul lost its 'live' approach from the 70s either. he should probably read some old interviews with bobby womack or whoever. or read any interview with a rapper who prefers 70s soul to the plastic 80s stuff. and he might be loathe to realise that marley marl - A BLACK PRODUCER - hated it when puffy arrived with his retarded take on hip hop in the mid 90s. maybe marley marl is white inside.

And what you got into it in 1985 when you living right down the road from King Jammy in Kingston? *rolls eyes*

BIG BIG BIG YAWN
did i say that?
i said his taste seemed informed by mid 90s/late 90s stuff when the music was entering its international commercial phase

you don't know what ur fucking talking about.

i must have struck a nerve in the reynolds cult. i hope i wont get stoned for this when i leave work today. dont burn me at the stake guys! i still like reading energy flash and rip it up and start again! honest!

for anyone wondering where that apparently elusive 'simon frith you my nigga 4 life' quote is from, its here my lovelies.
http://blissout.blogspot.com/2003_09_07_blissout_archive.html#106328663272031401

That's news to me since Marley Marl used to play Bad Boy arists like Craig Mack, Biggie, The Lox, Mase, Puffy himself (cuts like "it's all about the benjamins", "victory", "young g's", "bad boy 4 life" and "let's get it" all got reugular spins), Black Rob and G. Dep on his Future Flavas radio show.

It has nothing to do with being a Reynolds/Stelfox fan (I'm not) and everything to do with you being an idiot.

The ironing.