Fleetwood Mac: Classic or Dud

mick seems like he would be the most fun

never gotten the sense that i would ever want to be in the same room as lindsay buckingham

Apparently, they're letting fans design the tour poster: http://www.facebook.com/FleetwoodMac/app_288858114510005

Competition seems weak so far. Designy type ilxors should hop on this.

never gotten the sense that i would ever want to be in the same room as lindsay buckingham

yeah dude might be a total musical genius but there is no question in my mind that he is also a humourless psycho

christine mcvie would probably be very polite

Oh man the box set in INCREDIBLE! I don't know much about mastering and all that jazz, but the CD doesn't sound optimal. I got it for the rest of the stuff, and those demos don't disappoint! (Admittedly I've never explored their bootlegs so maybe they are old hat by now). I can't wait to see the DVD, hope it's more of that great behind-the-scenes stuff floating around you tube.

Christine would be polite, offer you a glass of good red wine, listen to you prattle about "Warm Ways," and say, "Alright, love, time for you to get the fuck out."

stevie would offer you a glass of wine, listen to you prattle about the buckingham nicks album, then prattle back to you for two or three hours or until you said, "alright, love, time for me to get the fuck out. and you've got a show to do, don't you?"

Apparently, they're letting fans design the tour poster: Competition seems weak so far

lol go through their fb page's photos for all of the "reimaginings" or w/e of the rumors cover

The band went through so many incarnations they really should be evaluated as three different bands.

I do believe, however, that Peter Green was one of the most expressive blues guitarists and far more emotive than Clapton could ever hope to be.

That's certainly true for the British blues crew. Though Clapton's pre-Cream stuff, what little there is, is worth a listen for sake of comparison.

he was aight in yardbirds, but beck really made that band great imo

God bless The Onion...

Man Who Bought 34th Anniversary Reissue Of Fleetwood Mac's 'Rumours' Feeling Like Real Idiot After Passing Display For 35th Anniversary Edition

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ENID, OK—Longtime Fleetwood Mac fan Michael Gastin reportedly felt like a complete moron this week after walking by a retail display for the 35th anniversary remastered CD box set of the band’s celebrated 1977 album Rumours, released less than a year after he purchased the Rumours 34th anniversary edition. “Goddamn it, I can’t believe I wasted my money on the 34th anniversary reissue when I could have just waited a little longer and gotten an awesome 35th anniversary re-release,” the embarrassed fan said after observing that the deluxe 35th anniversary edition of the album features an expanded booklet with photographs, essays, and interviews about the making of Rumours not included in the commemorative booklet packaged with the 34th anniversary deluxe box set. “And look at this thing—it’s huge! It’s like twice as big as the 32nd and 33rd anniversary editions combined.” At press time, Gastin had reportedly opted to purchase the album due to its inclusion of an early jam session that reportedly sheds light on the little-documented tensions between band members Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham.

Such a lost gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yErUFrogXxE

i haven't heard that! think i need to.
in other news, i won tix to see fleetwood mac this summer. woo!

that is super nice. who is singing? is the rest of the album that good?

I'm seeing them tomorrow in Columbus! Rock!

the album is pretty much all over the place, but it definitely sounds Mac related. The singer is some guy, I think, though he sounds like Christine.

cool. i just read the ken caillat making rumours book...pretty good, if not an amazing piece of writing. caillat is sort of weirdly wide-eyed. a pretty girl walks in: "Gee!" he does a line of coke: "wow!" etc. but there's tons of fun stuff about the album, lots of details w/o being too technical.

^agree with this take. dude is a total nerd but appealingly so

yeah, kind of refreshing, you'd think a guy like that would be some jaded record industry d-bag.

good stories about scooter, the tusk cover dog, too.

Aw c'mon, share. Kennel-hopping? Worming tablets blown up his ass?

he's a frisky little dude, let's just say that

the memoir by Buck's girlfriend was an odd one.

^^oh maaan this book was heavy (and destroyed my perspective on buck)

yeah buckingham comes off the worst in caillat's book. kind of amazing they even worked together again, but i guess having a record that sells a bajillion copies makes a lot of water go under the bridge.

never gotten the sense that i would ever want to be in the same room as lindsay buckingham

rest of Fleetwood Mac circa the making of 'Tusk' to thread

hope caillat does a making tusk sequel! that's when shit gets real.

sadly it would miss out on all the stuff buckingham did at home on his own

yeah i guess a tusk oral history kinda thing would make more sense.

otoh Caillat and Buck Girlfriend's books makes me wish I hung out with Christine all day every day.

Harris' memoir was unconvincing at almost every level though; even the dialogue, presumably recollected in tranquility, was stilted enough to make "90210" sound like Wilde.

A lot of folks have called bullshit on her memoir, which may explain why it gained so little traction. At the least it sounds pretty par for the course for any relationship built around drugs.

Scooter the "Tusk"-dog stories pale compared to fellow Sound City vet Rick Springfield and his fellow cover star pet pit bull. The Sound City doc has Neil Giraldo claiming he did his take on "Jessie's Girl" with Springfield's iron-jawed dog poised right at his crotch.

just watched the rumours episode of classic albums for the first time on netflix. both mcvies come across as down-to-earth normal cool people. fleetwood too. buckingham comes across, unsurprisingly, as someone who is very very fond of himself. nicks comes across as someone who is very very fond of buckingham, too, and is still a little angry at him. the studio playbacks of their and christine's isolated harmonies are beyond fantastic.

TS:

http://i2.listal.com/image/1896949/600full-fleetwood-mac----tusk-%5Bvinyl%5D-cover.jpg

Vs.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6dGCYO1-X8rtkxBSw1W0Z9mg7gmrk9oiT7suqb6uvdXYJSglK

Buckingham should be fond of himself, because he was the glue keeping so much of "Rumours" on up together. Worth noting that Buckingham was never the raging drug or drink fiend that Nicks, Fleetwood or John McVie were. If he's smug it's perhaps because he carried those dudes for so long. "Tango" and "Say You Will" only came about when they begged him to return, and in the case of the former he was tasked with shaping something workable out of Nicks' erratic contributions.

I think Buckingham's rock bottom came in the '80s, but he was pretty isolated from his band (and everyone) at that time. I've seen him solo a few times, and he seemed both modest and extremely grateful for the help of friends shepherding him through his dark period. (He's more or less called "Big Love" autobiographical, and while the song is pretty sketchy, you can still tell he was going through some shit).

(I should stress that the contributions of the other Macs are awesome, it's just that they ultimately needed Buckingham more than he needed them. I get the feeling from at least "Tusk" onward he would have been more than happy just making his own weird records, though clearly the money proved too tempting, and we all benefitted in the end.)

i'm of the belief that they needed each other equally. take away that ridiculously inventive rhythm section and those godlike harmonies ad he's just a quirky singer-songwriter making, yeah, his own weird records, right from the start.

Yes, I saw Buckingham last August and while his 65-minute performance was intense and surprising I couldn't distinguish his humility from PR. Which he's earned! As you point out, he assembled TITN. According to Harris, the group still functioned as one on Mirage.

he probably could have (and maybe did) come up with half of tusk on his own. he couldn't have come up with a single song on rumors on his own. except maybe "never going back again."

(and yes I've seen him solo and loved it.)

btw much of Nicks' solo work through 1985 and intermittently thereafter doesn't need Buckingham, although we can credit him for strengthening self-confidence and songwriting chops.

"Rumours" was I think the only time the band was truly operating "as one." Ironically. But "Tusk" is basically half Lindsey on his own, half Lindsey arranging, polishing, deconstructing the others. Save Christine, who pretty much sounds like herself. (Is she the only band member who ever co-wrote with Lindsey?) "Mirage" really sounds like Lindsey let loose with proto digital tools, perhaps a concession to lure him back to the band. I imagine he had even more control on "Tango," when he really didn't want to be involved at all. Then "Say You Will" is pretty much the Lindsey show again. The other guys in the band are what make the records sound so great, of course, tempering his high strung tendencies.

Btw, I agree Nicks did not need Bucky in the '80s, which is also ironic, given she was such a mess.

The degree to which Buckingham deserves songwriting credit on Nicks' songs will never get resolved -- it's a tango in the night.

I can't wait for the definitive account of the Tango sessions, about which we know so little.

Well, I mean, she's only got three songs on there, and one was a co-write with Sandy Stewart, who wrote the music.

Huh, she (Sandy) recorded a duet with Nile Rodgers for the "White Nights" soundtrack! "This is Your Day."

Oh, you mean all her Mac songs? Yeah, well, talk about "he couldn't have come up with a single song on rumors on his own." Only apply it to all the Nicks Mac songs. But then, they wouldn't be what they are without her formative contributions, melodies, lyrics, etc.

and co-wrote "If Anyone Falls" and "Nightbird."

A lot of folks have called bullshit on her memoir, which may explain why it gained so little traction. At the least it sounds pretty par for the course for any relationship built around drugs.

Sorry if I'm being a broken record but I feel like we've been over this a few times now. This is like the second or third time you have posted a justification for the fact that Lindsey hit women -- drugs, the women were crazy, he's an artist who was in a "dark place," it was the 70s and 80s.

I like his music too, but I honestly don't think there's any doubting that the guy has a pattern of physically abusing women that was reprehensible.

What gives?

Josh can get Lindsay to change, you'll see

Hey, I'm trying my best!

If you read the Amazon comments, there's actually an exchange between Harris and Jeremy Spencer where he accuses her of making stuff up. So there's that. Really, though, I don't know about "a pattern of physically abusing women." Is that right? Has Anne Heche mentioned it? Has Stevie mentioned it? I don't recall seeing such an accusation anywhere but in Harris's salacious tell-all. Which doesn't make it not true! But there's are too many unfounded accusations and too much cocaine involved in this tangled tale to take anyone's sole voice as gospel.

jeremy spencer wouldn't be my first stop for reliable witnesses tbqh