"My Chemical Romance is this generation's Nirvana"

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my point on the 'if yr still...' comment being this- @ 16, i listened to- the doors/cream/smashing pumpkins/butthole surfers/a few others and some local acts.
i listen to those cd's the least of all the ones i own now. i'm 28.

if i'm feelin nostalgic, i'll throw those in, but that's not often.
and usually while drunk.

not to say i don't like the music, it's just too much of reminder item/wrapped in memories to lend itself to being something i feel the need to listen to anymore...that and i burned those disc OUT!

eedd, Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)

I think it's possible to love music and still use it as a social tool of sorts. But there's a big difference between a) truly loving the music and *incidentally* using it as a conversational wedge and a way to make friends and b) wanting to be part of this cool group and adopting their mannerisms and tastes as an express way of doing so.

i'm not saying ultra's doing that. i don't know her. but there are surely many who do.

at age 16 i was already crazy for early rough trade, pillows & prayers and bands from athens. i fail to see how i've progressed since then...

mike a, Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

When I was in 8th grade (two years ago), my guidance teacher had us write letters to ourselves so that she could send them to us once we had graduated high school. I'm anxious to get it back; i know i wrote a list of artists that I thought I should still be listening to...All I remember putting down is Ryan Adams, Ben Kweller, Talking Heads, Counting Crows and ...Trail of Dead.

Tape Store (Tape Store), Thursday, 20 April 2006 21:22 (twenty years ago)

August 15 End of the Road Boyz II Men
August 22 End of the Road Boyz II Men
August 29 End of the Road Boyz II Men
September 5 End of the Road Boyz II Men
September 12 End of the Road Boyz II Men
September 19 End of the Road Boyz II Men
September 26 End of the Road Boyz II Men
October 3 End of the Road Boyz II Men
October 10 End of the Road Boyz II Men
October 17 End of the Road Boyz II Men
October 24 End of the Road Boyz II Men
October 31 End of the Road Boyz II Men
November 7 End of the Road Boyz II Men

It's strange to think that as recently as 1992, this was considered an untouchable record-breaking phenomenon. In the same respect, I'm still surprised it too as long as it did before Pearl Jam's one-week record was killed by... uhh it was probably BSB or Eminem or someone.. I forget.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Thursday, 20 April 2006 22:21 (twenty years ago)

She is 100% right. I mean, as apt as any sort of comparisson can be made to Nirvana or saying "this generation's nirvana" because they were very much an of their time kind of thing. but yeah, any kid who would've liked Nirvana if they were 16 in 1992 would now like MCR if theyre 16 now and it doesn't take much insight to come to that conclusion. just talk to a 16 year old. I dont think that makes any sort of higher level rock writer irrelevent, because I don't think theyre writing to 16 year olds. and I dont expect even 24 year olds to listen to MCR. It surprised me when even 19 year olds listen to them.

Period period period (Period period period), Friday, 21 April 2006 03:05 (twenty years ago)

I think the biggest difference between MCR and Nirvana are the fact that Nirvana moved 10 million units - a plateau which I don't believe that MCR has sniffed. Now, I know that sales aren't everything, but I still think that it does bear pointing out that Nirvana, while perhaps not as relevent to 16 year olds today as MCR currently is, were far more relevant to 16 year olds as a whole in 1991. The pop culture landscape is far more bifurcated today than it was fifteen years ago. Remember, the big paradigm shift supposedly came when Nirvana unseated Michael Jackson at no. 1 in the album charts - this presumed a certain level of acceptance for both MJ and Nirvana as universal pop culture signifiers. What did MCR replace?

Now, I don't mean this as a knock against MCR. I like "Helena" and I think that frankly, MCR are targeting a significantly different audience than the one I am part of. But I also think that comparing MCR to Nirvana is considerably hyperbolic, if not in an artistic sense, than definitely in a sense of cultural impact. Nirvana altered the playing field, changing the rules of the game for at least a decade (for better or for worse, as undoubtedly many of you will argue). MCR, by comparison, is not an abberation in today's pop landscape, but a clear continuation of a phenomenon that was already thriving before they emerged onto the scene.

For some people, MCR may fulfill the role that Nirvana did for others a decade ago in their youth. This point is ultimately inarguable. However, I don't think that MCR have had nearly the broad-based cultural impact on this generation that Nirvana did in their time. I could be wrong, but with siblings at the age in question, I certainly don't notice a perceptible trend.

M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 21 April 2006 03:29 (twenty years ago)

I don't have numbers but I don't think I'm that unusual in being 27 and listening to MCR sometimes. (What do you expect 27-year-olds to listen to?)

Sundar (sundar), Friday, 21 April 2006 03:33 (twenty years ago)

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vcx, Friday, 21 April 2006 04:27 (twenty years ago)

oh and I love the people on this thread who pretend that they've had insanely progressive taste as long as they could remember.

"yeah man by the time I was 6 I was already through with most of ornette coleman's ideas, and it wasn't until about 9 that I really got into atonal as a concept"

Period period period (Period period period), Friday, 21 April 2006 04:31 (twenty years ago)

"oh and I love the people on this thread who pretend that they've had insanely progressive taste as long as they could remember."

i don't think i'd subscribe to that angle, but i'm glad i've shifted my taste! if only for the people around me (whom i am certain are ALSO very glad!!!).
MCR just isn't the 'phenom' that nirvana was. it's just that simple.
i still see more kids touting Misfits gear than any MCR stuff! and the Misfits have been done since '84 (well, technically i guess)!

i'll gladly suffer thru some 'crap music' but, damned if MCR is something i can sit thru...
bring on that Mclusky 3 disc, and git wit it.

eedd, Friday, 21 April 2006 10:21 (twenty years ago)

In 1992, I was thoroughly out of the Nirvana demo, I did not watch MTV or listen to rock radio, and had generally sworn off American pop. My kids were pre-schoolers. Nirvana was unavoidable and compelling. Despite being turned off by "Teen Spirit" the first time I heard it, and thinking the video was awful when I finally saw it, I considered myself a fan within a short time, certainly by the time In Utero came out.

In 2006, I am obviously older, but I listen to a lot more current music. My kids are music-obsessed older teenagers with similar friends; eventually if they or their friends like something I tend to hear it. I have yet to hear note #1 of My Chemical Romance, or to meet any teenager (and I talk regularly to dozens of 15-20 year-olds) who cares enough about them, one way or another, to mention them. Ever. I did see a picture in Newsweek or something, and recently discussions of this Ultragrrl thing; otherwise I would not know they existed.

Which is not to say that they are good, bad, or whatever. Only that there are quantum-levels of difference between this band's general social presence and that of Nirvana in its prime, and that if it is the signature band of this generation someone forgot to tell my kids and everyone they hang out and go to shows with. And by "someone", I mean Pitchfork, which is their main media source for music tips, etc. Which I don't think is dominated by 35+ muso types.

So I don't get what this is about, except for a self-promotional kid playing the age card because it's what she's got to play.

Vornado, Friday, 21 April 2006 11:04 (twenty years ago)

(And I hear PLENTY about New Order and Joy Division, which my daughter and her friends decided they had to listen to after Interpol got hot, and also they saw the movie.)

Vornado, Friday, 21 April 2006 11:11 (twenty years ago)

My sister is five years younger than I am, and what surprised me about the little I gleaned of high school music tastes five years after me was how retro they were. Nirvana is still widely listened to, although it seems like metal is bigger than ever--which is obviously retro though there are the new acts, too. Plus there are acts like Green Day and Red Hot Chili Peppers who have amazingly retained the same demographic. So there's no comparison, of course, because what kid in 1995 would listen to a band whose peak was in 1985? They either don't know or don't care now.

As a pre-teen, my friends and I just thought Nirvana was really catchy and rocked, and there was no shock as if we had never heard anything like it. Everyone's discman would either have one of the Use Your Illusions or Nevermind, with no consciosness of the gap between them, which is less musical than cultural and therefore irrelevant to an eleven-year old's mind.

richardk doesn't have no kids! (Richard K), Friday, 21 April 2006 11:17 (twenty years ago)

"So I don't get what this is about, except for a self-promotional kid playing the age card because it's what she's got to play.

-- Vornado (joh...), April 21st, 2006."

OTfuckinM!!!
but, i'm guessin this is what ultragrrrrrrrrrrrrl wanted, right?
some reactionary thoughts...

eedd, Friday, 21 April 2006 13:35 (twenty years ago)

First of all, My Chemical Romance is a way better band then Nirvana (Im sure this is going to make a huge fuss with the older people). At least MCR's lyrics are good. Nirvana's songs just repeat mindless, meaningless words. Smell's like teen spirit was one of their 'BIGGEST' hits. Look at the lyrics:
A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My libido
Yea
.etc

Now, MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE (thanks for the venom)
Preach all you want but who's gonna save me?
I keep a gun on the book you gave me, hallelujah, lock and load
Black is the kiss, the touch of the serpent son
It ain't the mark or the scar that makes you one

It may just be me, but the MCR's lyrics are way better than Nirvana. Sometimes you need good lyrics to go with the songs, and MCR is on the money. Nirvana was..well...yeah

Andrew Pan (iPAN), Thursday, 27 April 2006 08:58 (twenty years ago)

ha, the random googler came back!

kid, some real from-the-heart advice here. you're right about nirvana! but you should also put down the mcr rekkids, and go and listen to CIARA.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:07 (twenty years ago)

"and if yr still listening to the same thing when yr in yr 20's as you did when you were 16, then you probably deserve to still be listening to MCR."

i can't help that i had awesome taste back then.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:49 (twenty years ago)

Pashmina OTM, MCR rules the fuckin' school

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 27 April 2006 11:17 (twenty years ago)

"i can't help that i had awesome taste back then.

-- 25 yr old slacker cokehead (miltonpinsk...), April 27th, 2006."

so did i! and then i aged+changed. as did my music.

eedd, Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:36 (twenty years ago)

yeah, so you you stopped having awesome taste.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:44 (twenty years ago)

I HAVE KILLED AND EATEN MY DOG. I HAVE KILLED AND EATEN MY DOG. I HAVE KILLED AND EATEN MY DOG.

Period period period (Period period period), Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:58 (twenty years ago)

k

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:04 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to paint my eyelids black so I can see the pain I feel.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

LOL

someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 27 April 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

"yeah, so you you stopped having awesome taste.
-- 25 yr old slacker cokehead (miltonpinsk...), April 27th, 2006."

some may say...they'd be wrong, tho. I would say it's still pretty alright, maybe not by a 16 yr old me's standpoint, but that guy was too wasted and young to know the difference, so fuck that guy!
he just HAD to learn the hard way how wrong he was.
good thing he's not around anymore...

eedd, Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Nirvana's songs just repeat mindless, meaningless words. Smell's like teen spirit was one of their 'BIGGEST' hits. Look at the lyrics:
A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My libido
Yea
.etc

Oh baby let me in
Oh baby let me in
I'm knocking let me in
Oh baby let me in
Oh baby let me in
I'm knocking let me in
Oh baby let me in
Oh baby let me in

-Some crappy My Chemical Romance song

Look up small sample size in an encyclopaedia.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:57 (twenty years ago)

DEEEEAAAAAAMMMMMMNNNNNN!

http://www.vmix.com/vidthumbs/0ef1ac9c4eda96832ae9124040763564_1.jpg

YOU GOT SERVED!!!

http://image.com.com/tv/images/story/voltron.jpg

M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Thursday, 27 April 2006 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Oh baby let me in
Oh baby let me in
I'm knocking let me in
Oh baby let me in
Oh baby let me in
I'm knocking let me in
Oh baby let me in
Oh baby let me in

IS BETTER THAN singing about insects and health abnormalities!
eg.!
A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My libido

Andrew Pan (iPAN), Friday, 28 April 2006 02:29 (twenty years ago)

IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTEXT BABY!!!!

I mean, Elvis Costello wipes these douches out when it comes to lyrical prowess; Bob Dylan and Ghostface Killah to boot. Hell, go read some fucking T.S. Eliot to music if you want to be deep and meaningful. However, if you wanna rock (and I know you do baby) then you don't need to have your stem wound any tighter than

DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE?
YOU'RE IN THE JUNGLE BABY
YOU'RE GONNA DIEEEEEE!

M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 28 April 2006 02:40 (twenty years ago)

New TS:

Oh baby let me in
Oh baby let me in
I'm knocking let me in
Oh baby let me in
Oh baby let me in
I'm knocking let me in
Oh baby let me in
Oh baby let me in

vs.

CAN'T YOU HEAR ME KNOCKING
AT YOUR WINDOW?
CAN'T YOU HEAR ME KNOCKING
AT YOUR DOOO-OOOOOR?

M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 28 April 2006 02:45 (twenty years ago)

baby? who do you think you are?

Andrew Pan (iPAN), Friday, 28 April 2006 04:00 (twenty years ago)

Okay, about the whole lyrics thing, that was basically just a cheap shot picking the most simplest part out of the whole song! And those mcr lyrics you used totally sound like something Glenn Danzig would have spit out his ass I don't know how many years earlier!?!?

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 28 April 2006 09:01 (twenty years ago)

glenn danzig would've come up w/ some FAR more violent and B-horror movie involved. and ALSO would've been FAR better than MCR's emotastic crapularity.

eedd, Friday, 28 April 2006 13:46 (twenty years ago)

MOTHER! mumble mumble RIDE WITH ME!

js (honestengine), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:17 (twenty years ago)

hello, i am teenager with a 4.0, and an IQ of 120 and i love my chemical romance. They're not about the money or the fame; they just help out the kids with problems. Problemsm, that adults tend not to understand, like depression or being suicidal. because "cutting yourself" seems to be almost like a new trend in my generation i find it refereshing to listin to some music that is uplifting and emotional, in a good way. Kids call other kids "emo" (that means emotional, fyi) and alot of kids see that as a bad thing. my chemical romace tells us that it is ok to not feel ok all the time. their message in their music is all about understaning and help. in summary IT ROCKS!!!

emily nelson, Saturday, 29 April 2006 00:55 (twenty years ago)

4.0 obviously doesn't include basic english.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Saturday, 29 April 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

I don't particularly like the band but there seems this feeling skimming this thread like people actually think there is something wrong with liking them. Which is weird to me.

deeej, Saturday, 29 April 2006 01:14 (twenty years ago)

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3585&p=3

AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 29 April 2006 01:30 (twenty years ago)

because "cutting yourself" seems to be almost like a new trend in my generation

Nope. Kids were doing that when I was in high school, back in 1992.

Every generation likes to believe that they've discovered something new (sex, drugs, rock'n'roll, self-destruction), but they're really just part of a continuum.

And you know what? That's perfectly okay.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 29 April 2006 01:31 (twenty years ago)

my chemical romance is this generations donovan

andrew b (klik99), Saturday, 29 April 2006 01:43 (twenty years ago)

Y'know, I can't help thinking that if I were 16 right now, my money would be on Fall Out Boy.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 29 April 2006 01:51 (twenty years ago)

When I was fifteen, I was listening to Motley Crue, Van Halen (kind enough to name an album after the year I was 15!) and I was just starting to get into more subversive stuff such as Slayer and Minor Threat.

So I have no idea what I'd like now.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Saturday, 29 April 2006 02:01 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I wanted to give everybody the update they've been so desperately craving about the aforementioned Battle of the Bands performance (that was to include a cover of MCR).

So, even though there were four slots and only four bands tried out, they only accepted three--us not being one of them. According to the members of 'R0ckaholics Anonymous,' we were creative and could pull it off, but we wouldn't appeal to high schoolers (despite the fact that instead of students, the judges are somewhat respectable figures in the local music world). It's too bad; I wanted to scare my classmates by performing some lascivious Serge Gainsbourg cover (they're afraid of other cultures).

Tape Store (Tape Store), Saturday, 29 April 2006 02:04 (twenty years ago)

both of these bands, *MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE* and *NIRVANA*, are *ImPORTANT bands*

they have *CHANGED* Music and wil lbe remem*BERED*.

they *DSERVE* to be talked about, to theexlucusion of *TOEHR BGANDS.**

omg, Saturday, 29 April 2006 05:52 (twenty years ago)

Everybody knows the Killers are this generation's Nirvana; MCR = Live.

M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Saturday, 29 April 2006 06:22 (twenty years ago)

"Everybody knows the Killers are this generation's Nirvana; MCR = Live."

HAHAA!!! does that mean MCR are going to be playing the York Town Fair then?!!

how about this, MCR=this generation's MCR? seems fair.

"hello, i am teenager with a 4.0, and an IQ of 120 and i love my chemical romance."
well, hello teenager w/a 4.0 and IQ of 120.
i'm not so sure how that makes any difference as to music, but good on ya! keep them grades up and stay off the drugs/cutting/alcohol/pre-martial sex/etc.
emo=emotional?!!! ZOUNDS.

edde, Saturday, 29 April 2006 10:44 (twenty years ago)

glenn danzig would've come up w/ some FAR more violent and B-horror movie involved. and ALSO would've been FAR better than MCR's emotastic crapularity.

-- eedd (e...), April 28th, 2006.

Exactly. Which is why I said he would have spit them out of his ass, like throwaway lyrics. But your'e right about the content.

I'm pretty sure most people who like music are gonna know what "emo" stands for, it just seems like the kids today have no clue that it started before they were born. To all those emo kids out there, DO SOME HOMEWORK! YOU'LL FIND SOME GOOD STUFF!!
And no, there is nothing wrong with liking mcr. Just like how it's not wrong to like whatever band you like. It's just totally ridiculous to think they are even in the same league as Nirvana.

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Saturday, 29 April 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

I dont believe anyone cares when the word 'emo' first appeared amongst this pop/rnb enduced culture. And yes, MCR is a good band. That i agree with.

Andrew Pan (iPAN), Sunday, 30 April 2006 09:47 (twenty years ago)

they just help out the kids with problems.

http://www.pgcps.pg.k12.md.us/~pointer/images/teacher.gif

so what youre saying is, musicians have a responsibility to play the role of guidance counselor?

even though im sitting in seattle, home of this so-called nirvana, and despite how early it is, this statement has to be the most ridiculous thing i've heard all day.

regardless of how meaningful music is in my life, i'd never let an entertainer have that much sway over my life.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 30 April 2006 11:13 (twenty years ago)


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