Rolling Stones: Classic or Dud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_nKdvOSg4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO9p2q2T5ug

i never even knew that there was any kind of question about who wrote most of the music for the stones??!!

i just forget cuz i see that pirate skeletor dude everywhere and then i play the stones and i go jeeeeez he wasn't always some sort of punchline he co-wrote some the greatest rock music i've ever heard!

qlassic

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/low_concept/2010/11/please_allow_me_to_correct_a_few_things.single.html

bill wyman's whole reputation is built on leading people to think he did things he couldn't possibly do

keef is awesome, skott otm

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Keith didn't write the overwhelming majority of stuff that's credited to him. But there's a few credible claims from others to authorship on some tunes. And if M&K couldn't be bothered to correctly credit "Love In Vain" ("Woody Payne"??), I can't imagine they'd be too much more conscientious with session players and new-guys.

(almost wrote "too much more conscious," and that's probably more accurate)

And I yield to no one in my love for Keith -- I still think Talk Is Cheap is the only great Stones album after Some Girls.

mick & keith wrote amazing songs for decades and those dudes were definitely not in the room the whole time.

― scott seward,

12-15 years tops...

yeah that's probably about right. still! what they did in that time...

i don't really care who they stole/took from. bill wyman owes them every ounce of gold in his gold vault.

The recent doc (Crossfire Hurricane) had some interesting stuff on their earliest songwriting attempts. Their chief goal was just to come up with something they could confidently bring back to the rest of the band. But they were pretty panicked: "You want us to write a what? You want us to what a song?"

and they almost immediately started writing hits! it was fate.

that whole thing about Loog Oldham locking them in a room together was pretty amazing. hard to think of it not coming naturally to them from the start

Jagger's written plenty of songs himself (Yesterday's Papers, Brown Sugar, Miss You and most of Some Girls).

i've been listening to tons of tom petty and reading a book of conversations with petty - which is really repetitive and poorly edited and completely addictive - over the last couple of weeks and what some people might not know is that mike campbell wrote a TON of the music for tom petty songs - all the way back to when they were in mudcrutch together - including big hits, but i would still call tom petty a great songwriter and not mike campbell. which is weird. mike was integral to the songs and the sounds and he co-wrote lots of stuff but they wouldn't have been the songs they are without tom. plus, tom wrote all the words. but with the stones it was really the combo that made it work. though they did write songs separately a la lennonmccartney.

man, i love mike campbell. did you know the solo at the end of "runnin' down a dream" was ONE take in his tiny home studio? tom and jeff lynne couldn't believe their ears. like, for real, the first and only take. one of my favorite guitar solos ever.

Mick doing Brown Sugar in the outback, on his own, is kind of amazing to me. If you can do that you can do anything, you know? Yet he didn't get up the nerve to put out a solo album 'til a decade-and-a-half later.

campbell's a god. totally

i want mick to play harmonica at my funeral. he's such a beautiful harp player. and I'm p sure I'll die before he does

That Petty book is awesome enough to make me listen to those mid eighties records

totally!

and now i want every petty album i don't own. and the boxed set.

i love tom petty so much. and the rolling stones.

i love when stevie wigs out at the end of this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN9OHDssYSE

Saw him on the Southern Accents tour. Blinding show all around, but Stan Lynch was a fucking monster. The shit he did on "Don't Come Around Here No More" wasn't human.

i think i might actually go to the cd store and buy a copy of wildflowers cuz that stuff sounds so good to me on youtube. plus, its tom's favorite album.

wildflowers is gorgeous.

the live box set is great, 78 - 07. playback is awesome also, split six ways into "the big jangle," "spoiled & mistreated," "good booty," "the other sides," and "nobody's children"

i think the band he has now is amazing. steve ferrone. scott thurston. mike. benmont. i think that's still his band. one of the best rock bands i can think of.

yeah the live set killed me! i mean all incarnations of heartbreakers were just so good.

i would love to see them live. i never go to big shows though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1Rwqn9YTBs

I forgot, I also saw TP&H with Dylan in 1986, but I was so far away from the stage that I barely remember anything about it.

I polled Wildflowers a couple years ago and got a tepid response. It's long but he was in a songwriting peak

fuck yeah at tom snyder "woman in love"

his life is kinda unreal when you read that book. in working bands since he was 14 and goes from florida bars to working and writing with pretty much all of his influences and idols and becomes one of the biggest things on earth. and when his house burns down annie lennox rushes to the hotel with clothes for his family. i don't think i'll ever forget THAT anecdote as long as i live. even the stories about dave stewart are entertaining. and yet he totally remains the petty. such a cool dude. anyone ever hear his radio show? i should look for archives.

Forgot his house burned down. And didn't he totally stick it to MCA, and win?

Haha yes -- the Annie Lennox anecdote compensated for some boring solo albums. Scott, what about his George stories? Petty's still in awe of the Wilbury period

so much Petty talk on ILM lately

yeah man he really loved george. they loved esch other.

and dylan begging him to keep touring with him. sorry, bob, my house burnt down and i'm one of the most popular performers on earth...

where is the other petty talk? i could talk petty all day. apparently.

the downside of doing a lot of coke and partying with dave stewart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3eQ5lxH-rc

damn that petty book sounds fun.
Have you seen the Peter Bogdanivich(sp) doc? Long and fun.

the downside of doing a lot of coke and partying with dave stewart:

Yeah, but that was the thing in the mid/late-80s. Springsteen had a couple of 12"s like that, with added vocals and Simmons drums, and I'm pretty sure he was straight-edge.

Petty and the Stones, Petty and Springsteen, Petty ballot poll ... I've only opened about three threads this weekend and he's cropped up on all of them. I assume every other thread must be the same.

the petty book is great but the guy who put it together or whoever was editing him left in tons of repetitions for some reason. don't know why. where tom will say someone was a great guy like five times in a response when you only really need him to say it once. don't think tom would have cared. but, like i said, addictive. if you are a fan. i just love Q&A more than about anything.

ah! i don't see polls. i have them hidden.

there was a Dave Stewart "documentary" on cable recently that was really horrible. Terrible music, insufferable person.

i like the arthur baker springsteen things. dave stewart remix is...something else.

dave and tom got along really well. and when they decided to sit down and write a smash hit - that's what they were trying to do - they wrote don't come around here no more. which is pretty cool. and dave had 70's rural rock roots. and tom thought he was a really good guitarist and sounding board and writing partner. he didn't like some of the things he did in the studio though. like the canned 80's horns. and the video for don't come around here was dave's idea and tom doesn't like that people will always think of that video when they hear the song.

Zollo inexplicably divides periods and albums.

Petty HATES "Make It Better."

Yeah, but he played it on that tour. Horn section and everything.