Why Vinyl Can't Survive

Yes! It now takes up all of side six!

<i>This means you get to hear the surface noise speeded up!

Also, that "Sad eyed lady of the lowlands" no longer takes up all of side four.

― Mark G, Friday, February 8, 2013 10:45 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink</i>

45 shouldn't necessarily have more surface noise? idgi....45 12 inches can sound pretty great, def can have better bass, cfe metal box

so many rap LPs are 12" 45s that sound amazing wtf

hopefully a bunch of teenagers will buy that at urban outfitters, listen at the wrong speed, and think dylan is supposed to sound like that

"Skellington" Julian Cope is mastered at 45rpm, I was halfway through side 2 when the penny dropped...

i went and saw this garage band from the UK called The Hipshakes, they were good, really high energy and then i bought the record and thought goddam these guys are amazing, really cool production but i realized it was a 12 inch 45 being played at 33, but they were fast and hyper enough that it still sounded "kinda" normal :(

12 inch at 45 is the way to go. the japanese made some of the best reissue pressings in the 70's and 80's of jazz and classical at 45 rpm. i never knew that the first skrewdriver album on chiswick is 45 rpm until i played it a few weeks ago. sounds amazing! certainly one of the best-sounding punk records ever made.

PJ Harvey's White Chalk is another 45rpm album. I played it at the wrong speed the first dozen or so times and only found out my mistake when I downloaded it to put on my iPod. If you think that record sounds strange and haunted as it is, give it a spin at 33rpm.

Still can't believe that pressing it at 45rpm wasn't a mistake in fact. There is no indication on the label about it.

Uuuuhhhh... 45rpm 12"s sound BETTER than 33rpm 12s.. And it sounds better whenthengrroves are spread put. Jesus.

spread out. Sorry, sputtering with rage here (not really)

its all about the grooves. i would definitely buy well-made reissues of old stuff like that if i saw stuff i liked. i was almost tempted by those 45 rpm metallica reissues some years back but i didn't get them. if someone made high quality 12 inch singles of old songs i would buy them too. black sabbath singles! with huge bass and drums. or even huger drum and bass anyway. only if they are from the master recordings though. someone get on that. (jukebox sabbath bloody sabbath EPs sounded good if i remember correctly. made in the 70's.)

I mean, it's fine if yall don't care about this stuff, but some people do, and their not snobs about it it's just a hobby. Sheesh. Go after em for being rich of you must.

scott there's a pressing maybe from early 00s of Master of Reality by sabbath on Earmark (UK label i think) anyway, if you ever see that, it's pretty great...they also reissued that kooky Come to the Sabbat Black Widow band you probably know them

that's why when people say vinyl in the 80's sucked i wanna say uhhhhh i could play you like a thousand 80's 12 inches that would make you change your mind about that.

Blue Note's apparently doing insane business with their current series of (limited, prohibitively expensive) multi-disc 45rpm vinyl reissues.

i actually like the cheap NEMS sabbath reissues. i got some for the store and ended up taking some home. they sound good. i mean they are probably digital remasters and i probably just like them cuz they are loud but on vinyl the loudness sounds fine. on cd it would probably make me throw the cd out the window.

yeah if you ever see any old japanese 45 rpm blue note stuff just buy them if you can afford them. so good.

man, you guys, you should have seen this jazz record store i went to in tokyo, it was way below street level, this little maybe 15x15 foot room, two old dudes just sitting their spinning jazz records all day...but the selection and quality was UNREAL....like everything in the store was basically NM, and all polybagged with new inner sleeves...i bought an eric dolphy record, and the guy actually took it out of the polybag, and replaced it with a NEW polybag when i bought it, because i guess the old one was maybe "worn" or something? i could have spent $5000 in there easy...it's like if you went to, say the Coltrane section, they wouldn't just have a few it would be like near perfect copies of like EVERY coltrane record...could not believe it, so may records jammed in a tiny space

i forgot that Dolphy record on the shuttle bus to the airport. :(

the other factor that hasn't been mentioned re: CD singles is shelf space. If the retailer made 50 cents or a dollar on a CD single but $3 on an album, then why would they want to take up valuable shelf space with singles? but I guess the death of CD singles came before places like best buy sold cds as a loss leader to get people in the store to buy washing machines.

― wk, Thursday, February 7, 2013 9:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is why all comic stores are now basically toy stores

xpost what dolphy was it?

lol m@tt

Lately I've been thinking of buying a metal box from ebay. worth it?

xpost what dolphy was it?

― try a little crowleymass (Jon Lewis), Friday, February 8, 2013 11:50 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Iron Man but with a way cooler cover than i've seen before ;_;

Well, anyway, that Dylan thing was £99

wk - i think so - the 2006 4 Men With Beards reissue is great, was manufactured and overseen by lydon and it's pretty indistinguishable, might be cheaper and in better condition

cool thx. didn't know about that. the originals seem to all be rusty which is kind of a drag for something so expensive.

Only the tin, the records are fine

i think the reissue made the metal box out of a different metal so it wouldn't corrode...everything else is pretty exacting to the original specs, including making the records a pain to get out of the tin lol lydon

Originally, the t'ing was £7.99 whereas most LPs were £5 or less

records? But I'm just buying it for the tin

It was meant to resemble a film canister. The rust is part of the design.

I remember the RS Record Guide (1983) saying "import copies of Metal Box go for as much as $20.00!"

haha if only

i should have spent the mid to late 90s dumping money into prog, folk, and jazz records, i would have beat the market considerably :(

you know what sounds really great? post-war 78rpm records.

you get a rare glimpse at my classical closet in this video i just put up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdxXf8x2WfE

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/world/vinyl-records-future-lifestyle/index.html

A quarter of young adults buy records they never listen to, a survey of British music fans discovered last year.

Some might take this as baffling or pretentious behavior, but the future of vinyl may rest on its ability to find selling points beyond its basic function as a music format.

didi not know this:

Just two companies worldwide produce lacquer needed in mastering, one of which is a one-man operation in Japan. When his business was affected by the 2011 tsunami, so was the global industry.

If they dont listen to it then it will be just a fad that will fade away, but for those who have been buying it 10 or 20 years they will continue. It's never gonna be *back* but i see no reason why it or CD will go away, it just wont be the biggest format.
And there will be endless reports of demise/revival for the next half century, just like rock/pop/rap or whatever

It'd be funny if all these records these kids never listen to had the wrong music on them. Like, you think you just bought that RSD copy of Deja Entendu, but it's actually some Liza Minelli album. Joke's on you, millennials!

Of course, this raises issues about quality control and accountability. If plants know that a quarter of the listening audience won't even ever hear the damn thing, well, what's the motivation to make it sound awesome, especially with plants as overworked as they are already? If I worked at a record plant, making twelve bucks an hour or something, and was working overtime to make sure the 180 gram reissue of The Return Of Bruno or something made its street date, I'd probably not be giving too many fucks.

some optimistic soul on amazon is asking $29.99 (plus $3.99 shipping) for a vinyl copy of The Return Of Bruno

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL FACTORY SEALED RELEASE THAT IS ALMOST 20 YEARS OUT OF PRINT. This title is still factory sealed but has a small cutout slash in the cover but probably has all of the original LP sleeve graphics.This title has been discontinued by the manufacture over the last few decades. The nicest thing you can do for your stylus and your ears. The ultimate record -- the way music was meant to be heard. If you really understood that less then a 1000 titles have been pressed on vinyl over the last few years and that these pressings disappear so qiuckly from the market it will make your head spin. Do not second guess yourself on this masterpiece because once gone it's gone forever and will skyrocket in price on the collectors market

A quarter of young adults buy records they never listen to, a survey of British music fans discovered last year.

Seems like there's waste built into most things we consume, Americans throw out nearly half of the food they buy.

i see no reason why...CD will go away

Optical drives are already no longer common on new desktop and laptop computers. CDs, DVDs and Blu-Rays will probably last for a while longer, but not into the next decade imo.

https://www.nme.com/news/music/vinyl-set-outsell-cds-first-time-since-1986-2545781

A retreating tide exposes all shipwrecks

vinyl records earned $224.1 million (from 8.6 million units) in the first half of 2019. This figure is impressively close to the CD numbers ($247.9 million, 18.6 million units).

revenue vs units.
still a massive difference.
basically, this proves that vinyl is insanely priced.

No kidding! I saw the headline but that’s really misleading.

pricing is particular shitty or certain labels who I assume either don't have decent european distributors / any product made in europe.... case in point being the Purple Mountains lp is £31 in fopp.

vinyl is priced according to what people will pay

it's also much more expensive to produce