I'll stand by that statement.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Bj8wrXslk
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
well, "Special" was a shrewd third single release in the U.S. for that reason.― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2013 6:21 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2013 6:21 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The shrewd third single they flogged for about six months* in hopes of a big crossover that didn't quite arrive, and in some senses the beginning of the end for them.
*Somewhere in storage I have a vhs tape with their TWO seperate Tonight Show appearances to promote the single (one late '98, the other 1st quarter '99)
― Big Sambola & The Tailspinners (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:53 (eleven years ago) link
It's interesting to think about Garbage being too late for grunge but too early for the kind of misfit-pop they inadvertently blueprinted on the second and (particularly) third albums.
circa 2001 all of the lesbians I knew who didn't reject pop music en masse were obsessed with "Cherry Lips" - this is the same crowd who later became absolutely obsessed with Pink (though only with or following I'm Not Dead, I think) - however it seems like it was too late for Garbage to really cash in on that and/or they'd already reverted to "real" rock by that point.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
Huh these are extremely bizarre results to me - phone skipped to the posts about two obvious winners, I was like yeah duh Push It and Dumb, then scrolled to the top and my jaw dropped
Relistening to the debut now: rtc otm about both the blackout connexion (esp in Queer, but how had I never noticed that Shirley shares a bit of Britney's weird frog machine thing?) and the drums on the incredible As Heaven Is Wide
A Stroke Of Luck is gorgeous too
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:29 (eleven years ago) link
I'm listening to the debut right now as well!
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:33 (eleven years ago) link
But only up to "Stupid Girl" so I'm not able to offer any sharp re-evaluative thoughts on underrated album tracks yet.
This was actually one of the first albums I bought back in 1995, and at the time the drum loops and the like seemed excellent but not especially remarkable, in some ways almost like a more satisfyingly fleshed out and grunty version of the production on Jagged Little Pill.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:36 (eleven years ago) link
My Lover's Box >>>
Really I'm mostly reminded how powerful those anguished, self-loathing lyrics delivered as if they were threats and as if the singer was the most powerful being in the world were
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:42 (eleven years ago) link
Production-wise I don't think I made the JLP connection then or now: it's like a heavier Sneaker Pimps (and the template Tori took REALLY out there on Venus/Choirgirl) (and PJ on Desire?), and was like my token rock-because-it-sounds-like-trip-hop album
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:44 (eleven years ago) link
It's also weird how the Britney thing is inescapable when listening to the debut but NOT Version 2.0
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:45 (eleven years ago) link
Oh sorry I meant to say: I think that's what i thought at the time but not now. But yeah it also fit in with Portishead and Bjork and etc. that I was listening to, to some extent at least (the other stuff you mentioned obv coming afterwards).
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:54 (eleven years ago) link
Re Britney, that's the ennervated quality, yeah?
"A Stroke of Luck" SO GOOD.
There's a kind of bleary quality to the production which is very trip hop (and which actually not many major label people had picked up on circa 1995 - but it was everywhere by the following year) - whereas the second album is too pristine to give that vibe.
(also Depeche Mode's Songs of Faith & Devotion - I'd expect that was a big reference point for Butch going into this?)
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:56 (eleven years ago) link
"Stupid Girl" really stood out as the most perfectly realised of the singles on this listen.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 10:25 (eleven years ago) link
It sure is! "Queer" has worn the worst imo.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 February 2013 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
Possibly. It was my favourite at the time.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:19 (eleven years ago) link
nah Queer totally held up this morning, it's def the one Britney should cover
I was never a huge fan of Stupid Girl and I think Only Happy When It Rains should probably be relegated to karaoke fun status
Milk is still incredible
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:31 (eleven years ago) link
og or tricky mix
― r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:36 (eleven years ago) link
(well both obv but i have never decided which i prefer)
― r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:37 (eleven years ago) link
both, and same
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:40 (eleven years ago) link
maybe the tricky mix just for the added angle?
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:41 (eleven years ago) link
Tricky remix was some of dude's prettiest work.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
his single with creep and alejandra deheza last year reminded me of "milk" (though not as good)
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:45 (eleven years ago) link
Good point about SOFAD and the electro-goth/trip hop nexus. Put the Portishead remix of In Your Room next to the Tricky and Massive Attack mixes of Milk and it makes total sense.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 8 February 2013 12:48 (eleven years ago) link
wookie might have made a good garbage remixer, always so well attuned to goth vengeance
― r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:15 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah his remix of "Bulletproof" would have been a classic if it was a remix of Garbage rather than La Roux.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:22 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGGYzcs8fsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP63o79qyu0
zomg
― r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:28 (eleven years ago) link
finally a proper soundtrack for evading goblins while out shopping
― r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:33 (eleven years ago) link
"stupid girl" is one of those cases of "obvious sample makes song kind of surprising forever" re: the "train in vain" drums
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
THIS IS THE NOISE THAT KEEPS ME AWAKEMY HEAD EXPLODES AND MY BODY ACHESLET THE BEATS GO WILD
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link
Or whatever she hisses
I bet you wish you could let it goYou'll never COMEsucking your THUMBBetter off DUMB
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:30 (eight years ago) link
why are all the best ilx posts about garbage
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:41 (eight years ago) link
anyway i don't admit this on the thread but i heard version 2.0 first which is probably actually why i prefer it to the debut, beyond tim's point about its embrace of bubblegum upthread
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:42 (eight years ago) link
some A+ posts here
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:48 (eight years ago) link
Meritricious vajazzling!
― Tim F, Monday, 15 February 2016 20:25 (eight years ago) link
for the tautologous thot
― r|t|c, Monday, 15 February 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
the guitar solo in "supervixen" sounds like my cat
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 20:57 (eight years ago) link
the feline star that you cannot live without
― r|t|c, Monday, 15 February 2016 21:06 (eight years ago) link
The bass in "Temptation Waits" sounds like my boyfriend a few years ago when we broke up.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link
I understand at last: the Pumpkins leave me cold because Garbage's plastic gothic overstatement exists.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:17 (eight years ago) link
lol my roommate was just telling me about when she saw garbage open for sp
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:19 (eight years ago) link
"shirley manson tended to stick her hands in her armpits a lot"
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:20 (eight years ago) link
alfred you can sing "shattered dreams" over "vow"
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:21 (eight years ago) link
I tried. So much for your promises.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:25 (eight years ago) link
lol i was only imagining it
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:26 (eight years ago) link
*exegesis about how this is the sophistipop evolution of grunge*
wouldn't that be STP
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:29 (eight years ago) link
gross
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:29 (eight years ago) link