no -- Justin.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
yeah tim's first graf is more or less exactly why i feel such a fierce sentiment to the s/t (the second is pretty okay in truth but if i must contend with negative comparisons then fangs will be bared), it was p much the formative catalyst for my first ever critical thinking wrt "scenes", namely in the sense of hmm wait why is this being fobbed off by cool dudes when it does the same thing as grunge but with awesome production stuff happening?
take for instance 'as heaven is wide' where the sudden introduction of that skittering chattering rhythm under the rising "if, flesh, could, crawl, my" prechorus makes it feel as if you're audio witness to an actual bodyhorror transformation
or the disembodied (like actually bouncing around your headphones disorientating), almost-mocking "wwwwishhhh" backing vox behind the chorus that only reveals its bitterly ironic relevance right at the very end with "i wish i could fly". studio tricks!
― r|t|c, Thursday, 7 February 2013 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw i think if the two were equal in quality i would probably privilege v2 more now (but obv that's all manner of timeless hypotheticals)
― r|t|c, Thursday, 7 February 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
To develop Tim's idea further: Max Martin's machine-tooled precise bubblegum eclipsed Garbage at their peak. If N'Sync could do cartoon goth in 2000-2001, a third Garbage album suddenly looks dated indeed
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 10:55 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Garbage had the last laugh though.
Garbage : 90s alt-rock :: P!nk's first album : late 90s R&B
Shirley's persona post the debut album then got the ball rolling on the entire post-debut P!nk - Katy Perry - Jessie J continuum.
― Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
doing it like a dude since 95
― r|t|c, Thursday, 7 February 2013 23:29 (eleven years ago) link
oh totally.
Katy Perry's Joan-Jett-as-Celine-Dion faux gentility is really strange.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
It's about right.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
TBH, sort of feel like voting for "Special" or "I Think I'm Paranoid" means you don't actually get this album.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
well, "Special" was a shrewd third single release in the U.S. for that reason.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
lol'd at the 80+ posts itt discussing #garbagedeepalbumcuts and then the top two being so obvious
― 乒乓, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
"Special" is a great song don't get me wrong but it feels odd to see those as the 1-2 hit.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
funny you said "don't get me wrong"
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
I'll stand by that statement.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Bj8wrXslk
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
well, "Special" was a shrewd third single release in the U.S. for that reason.― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2013 6:21 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2013 6:21 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The shrewd third single they flogged for about six months* in hopes of a big crossover that didn't quite arrive, and in some senses the beginning of the end for them.
*Somewhere in storage I have a vhs tape with their TWO seperate Tonight Show appearances to promote the single (one late '98, the other 1st quarter '99)
― Big Sambola & The Tailspinners (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:53 (eleven years ago) link
It's interesting to think about Garbage being too late for grunge but too early for the kind of misfit-pop they inadvertently blueprinted on the second and (particularly) third albums.
circa 2001 all of the lesbians I knew who didn't reject pop music en masse were obsessed with "Cherry Lips" - this is the same crowd who later became absolutely obsessed with Pink (though only with or following I'm Not Dead, I think) - however it seems like it was too late for Garbage to really cash in on that and/or they'd already reverted to "real" rock by that point.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
Huh these are extremely bizarre results to me - phone skipped to the posts about two obvious winners, I was like yeah duh Push It and Dumb, then scrolled to the top and my jaw dropped
Relistening to the debut now: rtc otm about both the blackout connexion (esp in Queer, but how had I never noticed that Shirley shares a bit of Britney's weird frog machine thing?) and the drums on the incredible As Heaven Is Wide
A Stroke Of Luck is gorgeous too
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:29 (eleven years ago) link
I'm listening to the debut right now as well!
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:33 (eleven years ago) link
But only up to "Stupid Girl" so I'm not able to offer any sharp re-evaluative thoughts on underrated album tracks yet.
This was actually one of the first albums I bought back in 1995, and at the time the drum loops and the like seemed excellent but not especially remarkable, in some ways almost like a more satisfyingly fleshed out and grunty version of the production on Jagged Little Pill.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:36 (eleven years ago) link
My Lover's Box >>>
Really I'm mostly reminded how powerful those anguished, self-loathing lyrics delivered as if they were threats and as if the singer was the most powerful being in the world were
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:42 (eleven years ago) link
Production-wise I don't think I made the JLP connection then or now: it's like a heavier Sneaker Pimps (and the template Tori took REALLY out there on Venus/Choirgirl) (and PJ on Desire?), and was like my token rock-because-it-sounds-like-trip-hop album
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:44 (eleven years ago) link
It's also weird how the Britney thing is inescapable when listening to the debut but NOT Version 2.0
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:45 (eleven years ago) link
Oh sorry I meant to say: I think that's what i thought at the time but not now. But yeah it also fit in with Portishead and Bjork and etc. that I was listening to, to some extent at least (the other stuff you mentioned obv coming afterwards).
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:54 (eleven years ago) link
Re Britney, that's the ennervated quality, yeah?
"A Stroke of Luck" SO GOOD.
There's a kind of bleary quality to the production which is very trip hop (and which actually not many major label people had picked up on circa 1995 - but it was everywhere by the following year) - whereas the second album is too pristine to give that vibe.
(also Depeche Mode's Songs of Faith & Devotion - I'd expect that was a big reference point for Butch going into this?)
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:56 (eleven years ago) link
"Stupid Girl" really stood out as the most perfectly realised of the singles on this listen.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 10:25 (eleven years ago) link
It sure is! "Queer" has worn the worst imo.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 February 2013 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
Possibly. It was my favourite at the time.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:19 (eleven years ago) link
nah Queer totally held up this morning, it's def the one Britney should cover
I was never a huge fan of Stupid Girl and I think Only Happy When It Rains should probably be relegated to karaoke fun status
Milk is still incredible
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:31 (eleven years ago) link
og or tricky mix
― r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:36 (eleven years ago) link
(well both obv but i have never decided which i prefer)
― r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:37 (eleven years ago) link
both, and same
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:40 (eleven years ago) link
maybe the tricky mix just for the added angle?
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:41 (eleven years ago) link
Tricky remix was some of dude's prettiest work.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
his single with creep and alejandra deheza last year reminded me of "milk" (though not as good)
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:45 (eleven years ago) link
Good point about SOFAD and the electro-goth/trip hop nexus. Put the Portishead remix of In Your Room next to the Tricky and Massive Attack mixes of Milk and it makes total sense.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 8 February 2013 12:48 (eleven years ago) link
wookie might have made a good garbage remixer, always so well attuned to goth vengeance
― r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:15 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah his remix of "Bulletproof" would have been a classic if it was a remix of Garbage rather than La Roux.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:22 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGGYzcs8fsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP63o79qyu0
zomg
― r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:28 (eleven years ago) link
finally a proper soundtrack for evading goblins while out shopping
― r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:33 (eleven years ago) link
"stupid girl" is one of those cases of "obvious sample makes song kind of surprising forever" re: the "train in vain" drums
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
THIS IS THE NOISE THAT KEEPS ME AWAKEMY HEAD EXPLODES AND MY BODY ACHESLET THE BEATS GO WILD
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link
Or whatever she hisses
I bet you wish you could let it goYou'll never COMEsucking your THUMBBetter off DUMB
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:30 (eight years ago) link
why are all the best ilx posts about garbage
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:41 (eight years ago) link
anyway i don't admit this on the thread but i heard version 2.0 first which is probably actually why i prefer it to the debut, beyond tim's point about its embrace of bubblegum upthread
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:42 (eight years ago) link
some A+ posts here
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:48 (eight years ago) link
Meritricious vajazzling!
― Tim F, Monday, 15 February 2016 20:25 (eight years ago) link