Indie Guilt: C/D

And sorry I missed gygax's link to Jess' website - gygax, that was fuckin' weak man.

Why the frontin'? is the question this morning, folks. And the anticipated hip-hop/pop response followed by Sleater Kinney are godz apology is the most interesting so far.

only stupid indie-people think everything has to be a fucking apology.

man msp nobody whined about stuff like that back in the day -- ethan ([email protected]), May 29, 2002.

oh i agree. we were watching cartoons. i do remember whining about not getting a transformers toy...but then i realized how much radder go-bots were... only to now be completely embarrassed by both!

it doesn't "just trash indie", it includes my observation that LPs with the same number of cuts on both sides are all terrible -- mark s ([email protected]), May 29, 2002.

i WAS heavy handed when i said that...it did have some good points here and there and people made the good case that they've moved on, broadened their horizons, etc etc. so have i... but i still have little or no desire to purchase just about anything top 40 radio programming has to offer and that probably most of purchases, regardless of genre, are tiny re-issues or limited release crap that 3 folks in the basement of co-op put out with money they spare changed and gave blood to make. and some of that includes some rock, and some of it is still pretty worthwhile listening even stacked next to "legends and greats"...

so back to gygax's question...what's the haps? what makes indie a object to be deplored any more than anything?

m.

Indie guilt wouldn't exist if people weren't persecuted in some respect for their musical taste, whether by friends or strangers. If everyone found all music to be acceptable, regardless of its origin or popularity, then the people who carry indie guilt wouldn't feel compelled to obscure their tastes in public or private discussion. But the question was: Is indie guilt a classic or a dud? I think it's classic only because it will continue to be around as long as there exists music elitests who insist on belittling others' tastes in music. And in that regard, I suppose it's of anthropological/sociological interest to study people's actions and reactions in response to that guilt. But just the same, I wish it was a dud because people should be able to enjoy what they want without feeling the need to justify an interest in music to which others might object.

But if there was an Indie Guilt Meter, this place would have the needle slamming in the red all of the time.

Because the set-up of greenspun.com means that all previous topics remain 'live' - so it's just as easy to answer and take up points in that thread as this one.

Jess, I've deeply enjoyed Jess' writing on West Coast post- hardcore circa 1989-1993. There's no lack of respect here.

Clarke, the link was to illustrate my confusion. I'm confused by some of the strength and breadth of opinions here, but the most stringiest anti-indie backlash has been at the hands of those who were head deep in it during the mid-90s. Reminds me of my neighbor Bill Scott who signed up to for the war, got shipped to Vietnam, now despises the USA.

I don't find this difficult to wrap my head around.

Mark S fave quote (one of them) - "We were promised the end of the world and we didn't get it", Charlotte Pressler.

"We were promised [XXXXXXX] and we didn't get it." - there is some [XXXXXXX] - might be different for everyone, might be similar - which indie promised and reneged on. The question is, what? I'm already late for meeting my friends tonight but I'll have a think about that.

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love the talk of nu-ilm upthread from 2002

I miss this thread. I wish it was started every day.

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