― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm not a great fan of this approach, but it does seem defensible from a logical standpoint, as long as you understand his verbal shorthand -- of course, I think it's adequately demonstrated here that not everybody does, which suggests some kind of failure.
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)
Anthony Miccio in Being a Different Person than Christgau Shocka.(The Courtney Love album is very good, by the way; esp. the single. And I don't hear what Bob hears in it, either -- I also completely forget what *Tonight's the Night* was about -- but I still think that was the best-written review in this month's Consumer Guide. Especially the punchline about the world owing Courtney a living.)
PS: I've never been all that big a Bon Jovi fan. PSS: The Blondie review made me laugh.
― chuck "hair metal" eddy, Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)
- Some predictable moron with his head up his ass
― chuck, Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)
That was one of Momus's finest moments.
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)
i found that i had no way at all to infer this from the limited information offered in the review
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)
Isn't it sort of assumed that the honorable mentions are records the reader is already aware of? Would someone honestly feel inclined to purchase a record based upon the tone of a single sentence or phrase. I always read it as a way for him to deny responsibility if someone bought what they feel to be a shitty album. But really it's like "oh you like the Strokes well the new record basically repeats the first one. sorry, well you know it alright, i guess."
― danh, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)
wilful obscurity as test of readership savvy is a rhetorical deadend imho
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)
Just when our number's upYou smashed the loving cupIt spills out everywhereIt simply isn't fairWe light up fire fliesWe kissed on New Years NightWe changed the centuryAll those romantic thingsWe changed the light to lowIt made our spirits glowIf it were up to meI'd never let you goSo If By ChanceYou Should agreeOhh tonightWe keep it RealToinghtWe put an End to the EndAnd just go on and on We wrote our name in lightsMade music every nightHeatwaves and rhapsodyBurn In my memoryWe changed the light to lowIt made our spirits glowIf it were up to meI'd never let you goSo If By ChanceYou Should agreeOhh tonightWe keep it RealToinghtWe put an End to the EndAnd just go on and on ToinghtWe put an End to the EndAnd just go on and on Tonight We PutAn End to the Endand just go on and on and on and on and on and on and on To the End the End the EndWe try to put the End to End to EndEnd the End End to the End the End the End End To End End To End
(Fade out...)Oh, did I mention that I wish the Pope had a bigger dick?
― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)
I used to get sick with solitudeI was always better in the multitudeBut now I like it up here all alone in my ivory towerHi-ho at the end of my ropeI watch it all through a telescopeI think I'd have a better chance to see the popeI get so bored with his shtick and his mini-minute dick
― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― frankE, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)
xpost
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)
Hilarity.
― frankE, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― frankE, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)
i mean i understand this is one way christgau deals with limited space allotment, and to his credit he certainly has formed an identifiable and oft-praised style of out this contingencies. but as i've noted before, on other threads, he often writes so elliptically that the meaning is lost on a great portion of the audience, and unlike chuck i'm not so quick to suggest this is a function of laziness or stupidity on the part of the voice readership. it is the author's primary duty, especially in a newspaper, to communicate ideas to his audience, and if there's a great failure to do so it's unbecoming to blame the audience (especially when the problematic ellipsis can be so easily pointed out). sort of like rock stars whining about rock critics, in fact.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)
Then again, if the ambiguity is entertaining enough, it will get people talking. Nice trick, that.
The Pope is hung like a rhino.
― Evanston Wade (EWW), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)
what else could it possibly refer to except that having listened to the album, xgau has concluded that blondie wish the pop had a bigger dick? my assumption was that there's a lyric somewhere on the album that leads him to believe that. but maybe something else made him say that -- something on the cd cover, something about the way she sings, who knows. i don't need to know right this second which it is. what does it matter? if i'm intrigued enough, i'll explore further. if i'm not, i'll move on to the next album and the next sentence.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)
I don't hate Christgau's writing, or his style, but even as an occasional defender, I have to say that I find the format unclear (obviously, since I've been reading them wrong).
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave q, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)
Seconded.
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― BanjoMania (Brilhante), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Evanston Wade (EWW), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― BanjoMania (Brilhante), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)
please pay attention to the section before you start recommending they hire people who already write for it.
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)
Good point. For people (or at least outer space aliens) who never heard of Blondie, the Pope, dicks, or reincarnation, it's completely understandable that they wouldn't be able to decipher Bob's cryptic runes. So yeah: Context is everything, I totally agree.
― chuck, Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)
I haven't a goddamn clue!! If you honestly think that the first (or fiftieth) thought in my head when I read that was "I bet these are lyrical references," you're dreaming. What has me annoyed is that by your line of thinking, there's an allusion to the fact that if I don't get it, I'm stupid. (What Broheems is saying.)
― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)
he invented twitter.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 16 May 2010 14:54 (sixteen years ago)
see what I told you about heavy rock crit? ;-)
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Sunday, 16 May 2010 17:05 (sixteen years ago)
Also linked on the year-end polls 2013 thread. Wasn't sure which Christgau thread to post it on
http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Rock-Roll/The-Consensus-Has-Consequences/ba-p/12189 his essay
http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Rock-Roll/The-2013-Dean-s-List/ba-p/12191
85 albums but no singles
Here's some of the albums
1. Vampire Weekend: Modern Vampires of the City (XL)2. The Uncluded: Hokey Fright (Rhymesayers)3. The Julie Ruin: Run Fast (TJR)4. Jeffrey Lewis & Peter Stampfel: Hey Hey It's...the Jeffrey Lewis & Peter Stampfel Band (self-released)5. Live from Festival au Desert Timbuktu (Clermont Music)6. Lady Gaga: Artpop (Streamline/Interscope)7. Eminem: The Marshall Mathers LP 2 (Deluxe Edition) (Aftermath)8. Bassekou Kouyate & Ngoni ba: Jama Ko (Out Here)9. Gogol Bordello: Pura Vida Conspiracy (ATO)10. The Knife: Shaking the Habitual (Mute)11. Parkay Quarts: Tally All the Things That You Broke (What's Your Rupture?)12. Rilo Kiley: RKives (Little Record Company)13. Rachid Taha: Zoom (Wrasse)14. Deerhunter: Monomania (4AD)15. Kate Nash: Girl Talk (Have 10P)
― curmudgeon, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:37 (twelve years ago)
Anybody interested in this has probably already seen it, but if not, Christgau's 10 favourite movies:
Chinatown - Roman PolanskiA Hard Day’s Night - Richard LesterJackie Brown - Quentin TarantinoJules and Jim - Francois TruffautThe Last Detail - Hal AshbyMake Way for Tomorrow - Leo McCareyNothing but a Man - Michael RoemerOne-Eyed Jacks - Marlon BrandoRoma - Alfonso CuaronWhere Is the Friend’s Home? - Abbas Kiarostami
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 03:52 (six years ago)
Bill James announced he was giving up his online site today, so readers have been posting well wishes all day. In my comment, I mentioned the reader-question forums that Christgau and Marcus include on their sites, both of which came much later than James's "Hey Bill" feature. Another reader posted this after my comment:
I went to the same elementary school as R. Christgau, a few years behind, and he evidently had been so remarkable that some of the teachers would sometimes reference him, probably to both the pride and chagrin of his little sister who was in those classes of mine.
(My response to him: "Trying to imagine Christgau in grade school...The only kid ever who, at the end of the day, graded the teacher: 'Loved the math lesson, my attention started to wander during science, but overall, you're making progress from two months ago: B+.'")
― clemenza, Saturday, 10 June 2023 18:19 (three years ago)
"Forget Donna Summer—this is the real disco porn. She's covered on the cover right up to the clavicle, her rhythms sound more binary than her producer's, and she can't sing a lick. But even if you haven't seen her movies, she projects an exhibitionistic suck-and-fuck tractability that links the two pervasive fantasy media of our time, and from such conjunctions Great Art arises."— More, More, More, reviewed in Christgau's Record Guide: Rock Albums of the Seventies (1981)
— More, More, More, reviewed in Christgau's Record Guide: Rock Albums of the Seventies (1981)
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― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 29 June 2025 14:49 (eleven months ago)
find one more xgau thread to stick this blurb!
― hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 June 2025 14:56 (eleven months ago)
Eh.... Don't you have some review to write that makes some really obvious error?
;-)
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 29 June 2025 15:15 (eleven months ago)
I will be sure to marvel at the size of women's breasts that I will get wrong.
― hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 June 2025 15:18 (eleven months ago)
(NB: I have way, way less patience for Christgau these days, so fire away)