50 great things about Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk"

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Wait? What CD reissue?

dude, where ya been?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=rhino+fleetwood+mac+tusk&btnG=Google+Search

― zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 23 February 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

"Special thanks from the band to Lindsey Buckingham"

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Monday, 23 February 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

34. The subsequent modifications to the lyrics of Tusk by the USC student body at football games, turning the song into a scathing indictment of the UCLA student body

― Todd Everlasting (Todde), Monday, 23 February 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

This song is fairly traumatic for me, as I am an alum of the University of Southern California.
USC's marching band, plays on the track, of course... to this day, you hear this song an average of 500 times a day walking across campus. For the final horn bursts, though, you are supposed to shout along "U-C-L-A sucks!"

So...

34) It reminds me of the delicious hot dog I ate at the one college football game I ever went to, which I think was USC vs. Notre Dame ("we" lost).

Fuck! Major x-post with Todd!

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Monday, 23 February 2004 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

damn, i was beaten to #33 and 34 by the above wiseguys.

TS: A-Claps vs. Tusk

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 23 February 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

35. Okay, so I got the reissue and finally heard the actual song "Tusk" all the way through for the first time -- do people not mention that weird breakdown moment where the drums cut out and everything goes backward because, even for this album and that song, it's THAT (wonderfully) fucked up?

So, 15 more to go?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 May 2004 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

36 'Beautiful Child' - "There is so much pain" "I am not a child anymore". The way Stevie sings these, infact every line in this song, and then sings them again...this is recognition, this is chill down the spine music.

― de, Saturday, 15 May 2004 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

that even noise weirdos like the Dead C's Bruce Russell recognize it's total fucking greatness

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 15 May 2004 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

37. the way christine mcvie's vocals yield/meld to lindsey buckingham's vocals in the chorus to 'think about me'

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

38. the way the lyrics in 'sara' only occasionally bother to rhyme

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Christine's bittersweet longing on "Over & Over" -- her best-ever track?

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:33 (twenty-two years ago)

40. All the moments of dub knowledge in the mix.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

41. Lindsey on "I Know I'm Not Wrong": "You're here 'cause I SAY SO"

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

42. Photo of dog grabbing at late-'70s sneaker.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:39 (twenty-two years ago)

*leg wearing* sneaker

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 15 May 2004 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

43. "That's Enough For Me"! (Their fastest song ever?)

― Burr (Burr), Saturday, 15 May 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

44. "What can they say, it's not against the law"--How I have no choice but to turn the stereo up even more when they get to that line.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 15 May 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

45. "It's not that FUNNY, is it?"

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 15 May 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

46. How the remastered version sounds so clean that I can listen to it on my shitty little CD player at work (over and over and over again, some days), and I can still hear almost all the great bits in Nos. 1-45 above.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 15 May 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

47. The way the backing vocals are there, then aren't, then are again in "Sara" -- and how often they just don't seem like backing vocals per se, more like some weird lost ghostly thing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 May 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

48. The cover of Farmer's Daughter on disc 2 of the re-issue.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

49. The fact that I am listening to it right now and it is easing the pain of being at work on a Saturday morning.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

50. The second disc of the re-issue is actually worth listening to, and is not just chock full of "Here is a version of the song that I played in the bathroom once, in case you were interested."

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, I just realized that I accidentally referenced the album in no. 46. Please pretend like that was intentional.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

And we have reached fifty. I'm listening to it now as well and it's not a painful morning, but it is a quiet and beautiful one, so yay.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

In the interest of thread unity, I will not number this post, but just observe, in passing, that Stevie Nicks declaring "I don't wanna be a cleaning lady" at the beginning of the nine minute version of Sara is kuh-lassic.

I sort of like to think it's the 70s rock-queen version of "Turn the music up in the headphones!"

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

51. "Real savage like"

― frankE (frankE), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Does anybody besides me think that the alternate version of "Storms" on Disc 2 of the re-issue is actually better than the album version? I think it is more haunting because it sounds more disjointed, and I think the prominence of the repeating rhythm guitar line enhances the effect.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

And also, can we all stop to thank God (or, you know, if you're not religious vis a vis re-issues, just whoever was responsible for this one) that the re-issues aren't in that goddamned "Hybrid SACD" format (which, as far as I can tell, just = you can't rip the damn CD onto your computer, or even play it on your computer)?

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

28. Mick Fleetwood's hair-raising fill 30 seconds before the end of "Over & Over"--a little crescendo just when we've been in what feels like the fadeout for a solid minute already.

Let's be clear that it's not Mick's hair that's being raised. More like "razed"...

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 15 May 2004 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuggit. Dude said "one hundred great things," right? Anyway, "excess" is what these kids are all about.

52. When Stevie gives it up for Joe Simon on "Sara." Too bad she didn't learn as much from him as she did from Jimmy Webb.

53. That I now so love a record that lets Stevie Nicks thank "the poet in my heart," when that kind of shit made me gag in the fall of '79 (when I lived and died by 'Rust Never Sleeps' and 'Repeat When Necessary').

54. Imagining the rest of the group listening to something like "What Makes You Think You're the One" and going, "We have to stop Lindsey from bringing in demos!"

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 16 May 2004 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

55. The piano run at the end of "What Makes You Think You're the One."

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 16 May 2004 05:00 (twenty-two years ago)

56. Everything about "What Makes you Think You're the One"

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 16 May 2004 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

57. Lindsey (?) kickin' it on kalimba on the long fade of "That's All for Everyone," thereby turning the track into an EWF tribute cut.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 16 May 2004 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

58. The mindless rave-up that is "Sisters of the Moon." It's no "Need Your Love," but y'know, it's a cool mindless rave-up.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 16 May 2004 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

59. Lindsey's reinvention of the Beatles' "Yeah! yeah! yeah!" on "That's Enough for Me."

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 16 May 2004 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"The cover of Farmer's Daughter on disc 2 of the re-issue."

Is this the soundcheck version from the live album? or a different recording?

― Burr (Burr), Sunday, 16 May 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

It's lumped in with all the other demos and studio outtakes and there are no further technical notes provided on any of those -- but having not heard the live album version I can't say. Anyone?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 May 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

(And FWIW I picked up the Rumours reissue as well yesterday, now I just need to get the self-titled one w/"Rhiannon" and all that -- which was also part of the reissue thing, but everyone wants to only talk about Rumours and Tusk!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 May 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

60. the 'Baby once in a whiiiile' coda in "Think About Me"

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Friday, 4 June 2004 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i went to the cd store today and they had all the reissues but this one. i bought nothing.

― the surface noise for the sake of noise (electricsound), Friday, 4 June 2004 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I just got the reissue of Tusk from my local library. It cost nothing. (Well, ok, it cost £1 but thats next to nothing)

― mms (mms), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

61) the way Lindsey mews his "yeeeaahhs" at the end of Not That Funny

― thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

62) It mercifully isn't Astral Weeks.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...

63) Actually what Alex said for 62 but let me repeat it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i went to the cd store today and they had all the reissues but this one. i bought nothing.

-- the surface noise for the sake of noise (electricsoun...), June 4th, 2004 10:44 PM.

this happened *again*!! cunce

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Friday, 29 October 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Astral Weeks is an incredible album, but I'm not sure what the heck heck it has to do with Tusk? anyway, cute to see upthread that Ragget discovered Fleetwood Mac's Tusk, an album readily available in dollar bins across the nation for 20 odd years, in calendar year 2004. What kept you away Ned? Those scintillating Gene Loves Jezebel and Alien Sex Fiend deluxe CD editions?

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Which are fine releases all, actually. What kept me away? Nothing kept me away, more flat out disinterest. I knew it exists but I knew nothing more about it, and now that I live in a world where I can enjoy it *and* ASF etc., that means mine is a richer listening experience than yours. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"disinterest"

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, there's plenty of things others love dearly, musical or not, which you've heard about vaguely but haven't been interested in pursuing further for years upon years, and you know it. You can't pretend otherwise.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

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Wow. Iirc the Beatles (or George Martin) used an actual harpsichord, though also sped up.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 February 2025 18:03 (one year ago)

No, wait, Martin played a piano then sped it up to sound like a harpsichord! This shit is so cool, it's ironic that no one seems to do shit like this anymore, considering how easy it all is to do digitally. Or maybe they do it and it's hard to tell, because people are messing with stuff digitally so much more?

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 February 2025 18:05 (one year ago)

Yeah it's much easier to just record the piano part in MIDI and choose a harpsichord voice

― sawdust lagoon, Sunday, 16 February 2025 19:57 (one year ago)

but also, while there's a million cool and interesting and unique effects you can create in the digital environment, they're inherently different than effects that rely on the actual tools of analog recording. no one is speeding up or slowing down tape anymore, or running guitars through tape recorders and analog consoles, because no one is actually using any of that stuff.

doing it digitally, per se, is really doing something else altogether.

― fact checking cuz, Sunday, 16 February 2025 20:16 (one year ago)

Do people use some digital equivalent of Varispeed, just tweaking the tempos and pitches a touch? Like, every song on "Highway to Hell" is slightly off-key, iirc, because each one has been sped up and slowed down ever so slightly for the desired effect. Same with a lot of stuff of the era.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 February 2025 20:24 (one year ago)

that definitely exists, though digital offers the option, unavailable in analog recording, of tweaking the speed *without* changing the pitch.

(and either way, the analog and digital versions are at heart two different effects, kind of like playing the same chord played on different instruments. not better or worse, just different.)

― fact checking cuz, Sunday, 16 February 2025 20:36 (one year ago)

Yeah, the most conspicuous place I come across things essentially varispeeded into the wrong pitch is on youtube, where I presume posters alter the pitch slightly to escape getting slapped down by automatic detection for copyright. At the same time, I only recently learned that youtube itself allows you to slow down or speed up a song afaict *without* altering the pitch, which is a useful way to learn songs.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 February 2025 21:20 (one year ago)

There actually WAS an obscure analog device for changing speed without affecting pitch (and vice versa): Eltro information rate changer

― encino morricone (majorairbro), Monday, 17 February 2025 05:14 (one year ago)

hadn't realized how unfairly short "never make me cry" is. sounds like the intro is a cut from a longer performance? that entire instrumental performance is just a beautiful bit of restraint for the band in the shadow of the album.

― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 17 February 2025 05:28 (one year ago)

I regard it as a coda to "Brown Eyes."

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 February 2025 10:15 (one year ago)

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